Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh you see it. Oh I don't doubt you one bit. You see a lot of things. You also post in here multiple times a day trying to push your agenda. Sorry but I don't see it and I don't buy it.

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Pushing my agenda? What lol. Didn’t know asking people to use an aoe in dungeons was pushing an agenda but go off i guess.

While we can't discuss it openly here, there is data out there on this topic. Data that favors one side of the argument. However, this can't be brought to bare.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

While we can't discuss it openly here, there is data out there on this topic. Data that favors one side of the argument. However, this can't be brought to bare.

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Oh you mean parsers? is that how you make judgements about players in DF and casual content?

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

To them it does, we wouldn't have a thread with near 600 replies and 30k views otherwise

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I dont know about others but I'm just here for the drama lol, not because I really have an opinion on the topic.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

If someone isn't very good, more often than not they will have standards matching their own skill-level, and have difficulty seeing this problem as they are looking from the inside out.

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I have a feeling.. could this be true? :)

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Generally speaking, people often use themselves as the benchmark for their own standards in a simple bid to preserve their ego.

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To add onto this.

Also people in general also view their way of learning and their ease of learning as the benchmark for how others learn. So someone who picks up the game and is a natural at it, finds it hard to understand how someone can spend hours on trying to learn the game and not get to where they were when they started the game.

It also goes in reverse. The player who struggles to learn the game, can't imagine how someone can just instantly pick it up.

Logically of course most people realize this. But in the heat of the moment, you fall back on "why can't you remember to use your cooldowns?" or "why do you expect me to fix my mistakes instantly?".

And then to vent all of the above since you can't really vent to the player in question, especially in this game, players go to forums to let it out. And since players aren't as likely to tell their successful easy runs online, it can easily paint a picture of it's a widespread problem if the player base is large enough. Because typically only a minority of players will use a forum or other such social feature.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

To add onto this.

Also people in general also view their way of learning and their ease of learning as the benchmark for how others learn. So someone who picks up the game and is a natural at it, finds it hard to understand how someone can spend hours on trying to learn the game and not get to where they were when they started the game.

It also goes in reverse. The player who struggles to learn the game, can't imagine how someone can just instantly pick it up.

Logically of course most people realize this. But in the heat of the moment, you fall back on "why can't you remember to use your cooldowns?" or "why do you expect me to fix my mistakes instantly?".

And then to vent all of the above since you can't really vent to the player in question, especially in this game, players go to forums to let it out. And since players aren't as likely to tell their successful easy runs online, it can easily paint a picture of it's a widespread problem if the player base is large enough. Because typically only a minority of players will use a forum or other such social feature.

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The thing is. Using AoEs is a couple buttons. If a person can't figure out how to use hotkeys, I don't really have much sympathy for them, frankly. Heck, they don't even have to be on hotkeys, they could also click them.

Why is not wanting to play with what you view as dead weight and or inconvenience an ego thing?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh you mean parsers? is that how you make judgements about players in DF and casual content?

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The data is unbiased the judgement can wait however.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I have a feeling.. could this be true? :)

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Yeah that definitely is a part of it along with this:

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

To add onto this.

Also people in general also view their way of learning and their ease of learning as the benchmark for how others learn. So someone who picks up the game and is a natural at it, finds it hard to understand how someone can spend hours on trying to learn the game and not get to where they were when they started the game.

It also goes in reverse. The player who struggles to learn the game, can't imagine how someone can just instantly pick it up.

Logically of course most people realize this. But in the heat of the moment, you fall back on "why can't you remember to use your cooldowns?" or "why do you expect me to fix my mistakes instantly?".

And then to vent all of the above since you can't really vent to the player in question, especially in this game, players go to forums to let it out. And since players aren't as likely to tell their successful easy runs online, it can easily paint a picture of it's a widespread problem if the player base is large enough. Because typically only a minority of players will use a forum or other such social feature.

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Someone made a post that resonated with my experiences fairly well that a lot of the toxic people casual or elite are people who are scared of being judged by people who they don't even know exist.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh you mean parsers? is that how you make judgements about players in DF and casual content?

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ROFL Parsing in the DF is the ultimate level of sad. Its not even worth running ACT in DF as bad play is obivious :D