Highly Notorious Monsters

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

I agree good sir. As much as I loved XI HNM system (and trust me, i loved it!) we most certainly need to tweak the system and try to implement it better in FFXIV.

I know everyone has comparisons on what kind of HNM's they would like to see, but I say this: Why not implement every possible kind?

People want short-timed respawn HNM's that take teamwork to kill? Well lets put some of those bad boys in the game!

Some XI afficianados want a couple 21-24h HNM to feed that need of competitive inter-LS battles to claim and win? Why not let them have it?

Some people want only instanced HNM's.. well lets give them some HNM's!

There are so many more examples!

FFXIV cannot afford to cater to one group indivicually. Content needs to be spread evenly and be available for everyone regardless of what interests they have. I am not satisfied with XIV right now, but I am a die hard FFXI fan, and I want so badly for this game to become a game which I can play as devotedly as I did XI.

I would ask all of you to not insult other's likes and dislikes, but rather, offer purely constructive criticisms on ways that system could be improved, and worked into FFXIV. We will get alot farther if everyone comes together, rather than spend time amid arguments.

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This.

The people who would like to see the return of HNM's with long repop timers and rare drop rates aren't at all opposed to an all of the above policy.

So why are the people so firmly against these NM's against an all of the above policy?

If there's plenty in this game to keep us busy after the launch of 2.0 why should you care if a bit of that content involves long windows on HNM's with big ticket drop items?

We're not against you getting dungeons. We're not against you getting instant repop NMs. We're not even against you getting instant repop HNM's (though I feel like they cease to be such with instant repops).

So why are you against us getting the content we want? Malice?
I just don't understand the mentality.

I remember listening to a linkshell leader complain in XI that his linkshell couldn't kill Tiamat because his linkshell could never claim Tiamat and so couldn't get any practice on Tiamat. In truth they _never_ claimed because they were afraid to wipe in front of everyone due to that lack of practice.

However, Jormy was up 24/7 and linkshells didn't bother with him outside of the occasional title hunt and yet I didn't see any of these linkshells that were full of complaining up there getting in some practice that would have served them well were they truly getting ambitious enough to involve themselves in Tiamat competition. Any aspiring linkshell that didn't get in on Tiamat or any other HNM class mob can blame themselves, not their competition, and certainly not "bots".

Take a little initiative and you might find nobody is or was holding you and your linkshell back but yourselves.

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

I agree good sir. As much as I loved XI HNM system (and trust me, i loved it!) we most certainly need to tweak the system and try to implement it better in FFXIV.

I know everyone has comparisons on what kind of HNM's they would like to see, but I say this: Why not implement every possible kind?

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You have said this before, I have said this before, and 47 other posters on this thread have said this before. 3 times as many have agreed with it.

The problem is that someone keeps stirring the pot and firing up the conversation with illogical comments of

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HNMS suck, no one wants them in game ever

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The thingis, we all end up back to this same point. Now that I think about it. I guess we should thank those illogical trolling haters for repeatedly kindling the debate so its stays a hot topic and keeps dev attention on it.

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Originally Posted by Exni

Who said what YOU did was majestic or noble? These forums still are a riot at times I see.. People can't defend an arguement without making stuff up.. But fine, I'll continue

IF by chance there was a time where your LS was claiming almost everything I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said... Regardless if YOUR LS failed and couldn't get a claim without a bot (which is beyond SAD...), that just a testament to the lack of competition on your server. EVEN IF theres abunch a groups out only with bots, you shouldn't get claim 90% of the time unless the other people simply arent even trying.. If your LS decides to let stuff drop to the ground (again.. fail.., we always had friends either on a waiting list outside the shell, or would sell it someone camping for whatever.. better than letting it drop to the floor...), that's just up to your LS... Basically, just because your LS botted on a server with hardly any competition (so.. so.. fail..), doesn't mean the rest of us didn't have fun doing it the way it was intended..

Edit: The only thing that I will agree did become a problem w/ regard to HNM were the Speed Hacks, which I didnt notice as a problem until the Sandworm days.. Yeah fix that..

Double Edit: Cichy, your name is kinda familiar, were you on Phoenix (volume?)

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LSs that attempted to camp HNMs and couldnt claim usually fell apart very fast.
Every HNM linkshell in XI ever botted. That's just a fact. And yes people did not have fun doing it the way it was intended. You had fun watching someone kill Nidhogg after you spent past week camping Fafnir? Come on bro, it drove people to pull the hair out of their head.
Speed hacks at sandworm were never a big problem because SE found a pretty reliable way to detect them. Most people who got banned were using those. People used Scan Zone to find Ixion and Sandworm.
You cant convince anyone in their right mind that going everyday and seeing others kill HNM over and over is fun.
Especially ones like Nidhoggs who were the only shot at E body.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

LSs that attempted to camp HNMs and couldnt claim usually fell apart very fast.
Every HNM linkshell in XI ever botted. That's just a fact. And yes people did not have fun doing it the way it was intended. You had fun watching someone kill Nidhogg after you spent past week camping Fafnir? Come on bro, it drove people to pull the hair out of their head.
Speed hacks at sandworm were never a big problem because SE found a pretty reliable way to detect them. Most people who got banned were using those. People used Scan Zone to find Ixion and Sandworm.
You cant convince anyone in their right mind that going everyday and seeing others kill HNM over and over is fun.
Especially ones like Nidhoggs who were the only shot at E body.

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I pulled hair out, for sure. Probably tossed a few keyboards.

It did bring some great inter-linkshell comedy, and competition though. Kept people playing solely to compete and smash the other LS's by claiming and getting that drop. I am in no way saying implement alot of this content, however. But for the ones of us who found that chaos fun, why not throw us a little piece of the pie and give us a few 21-24 hour HNM's. I used to get my homework done solely off 7th window pops lol. (When I say give us a "few", i mean think of if the game had over 500 NM"s total, make like 3 HNM's 21hour respawn)

I think that other NM's with shorter respawn times should most certainly outnumber the above mentioned content, but I'm not saying it should be completely absent from the game. Some of us enjoyed the mud-slinging, raunchy camps of which is hardcore HNM camping.

But do I want to do it every day, no. Hell no. But its just nice to have that wide variety of content, that way if I get in that mood I can go out there and camp that 21-24h HNM. That way when I lose claim I can go pop another instanced NM and take out my frustrations lol

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Originally Posted by Cichy

LSs that attempted to camp HNMs and couldnt claim usually fell apart very fast.
Every HNM linkshell in XI ever botted. That's just a fact. And yes people did not have fun doing it the way it was intended. You had fun watching someone kill Nidhogg after you spent past week camping Fafnir? Come on bro, it drove people to pull the hair out of their head.
Speed hacks at sandworm were never a big problem because SE found a pretty reliable way to detect them. Most people who got banned were using those. People used Scan Zone to find Ixion and Sandworm.
You cant convince anyone in their right mind that going everyday and seeing others kill HNM over and over is fun.
Especially ones like Nidhoggs who were the only shot at E body.

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No that's not a fact.. But you must be from the "Because we did, everyone did camp". Yeah, I had fun watching HNM almost as much as fighting, I've said that a few times already in this thread and others. Spectating was ALOT of fun for me, especially because you didn't always know how it would turn out. No, I didn't QQ after not getting Nidhogg after 2 weeks.. and I think it's kinda sad you did.. but if XI tugged at your emotional hamstrings for missing the possibility of MAYBE getting a drop, then that's on you. And yes, speed hacks were a large problem, there were so many alts running around blinking across the map at one point I almost wrote a letter to SE.. And what does Widescan have to do with using the speed hack? Yeah, we all know you located which zone Ixion or SW popped in with Widescan, the problem came after when all the LS's run to that position for the claim..

Seeing others claim HNM over and over while rarely ever getting a claim yourself wouldn't be fun for me either. But, seeing as though I never said that in the first place I don't know why you felt the need to mention that. A HNM shell that actively camps, collects ToD's, has on-call members, and communicates with each other wouldn't have that problem in the first place.. At times it would seem other shells would be on roll with claims, other times we'd have them locked down, most times it was a pretty even spread with the exception of when an LS really focused on trying to lock down one specific HNM. Our schedule was so busy (which I'm SURE you should be aware of..) that regardless if we missed the claim we may have had members already camping two other HNMs. If we got claim great, if not we were already on the way to the next, or rushing to start the rest of endgame before it got too late. It did not bother me to miss claims.. We got plenty of all of them, and could gear newer members quick enough (if they had good attendence), and had plenty of places to be allllll the time.

I was loving even days like these:
POP!
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NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Missed Nidd AGAIN!!
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PlzWipePlzWipePlz
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OMG! OMG! OMG! SW POP La'Theine Plateau [S]!!! GO! GO! GO!
Screw Nidd, everyone GO GO GO!
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GDI!! Already Claimed...
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BOOO!!!!!
OK (Gather together)(Einherjar) - Odin - 15(Minute)!

I didn't need to have the glory everyday just to have fun.

Exn :) I love your post and I agree.

Yeah and a group without bots could come in and just claim a Fafnir Yay! No one would try to steal their claim or mpk them. They had fun!
You might be the most delusional and ignorant person in this thread yet.
You said you got plenty of claims, that means your linkshell botted, and your gear was obtained through bots.
Dont act like such a saint.
Every HNM linkshell that successfully claimed HNMs botted. Period.

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Originally Posted by Exn

I was loving even days like these:
POP!
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NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Missed Nidd AGAIN!!
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PlzWipePlzWipePlz
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OMG! OMG! OMG! SW POP La'Theine Plateau [S]!!! GO! GO! GO!
Screw Nidd, everyone GO GO GO!
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GDI!! Already Claimed...
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BOOO!!!!!
OK (Gather together)(Einherjar) - Odin - 15(Minute)!

I didn't need to have the glory everyday just to have fun.

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This made my day good sir.

This statement here exemplifies the wonders of having ample amounts of content. By catering to every aspect, there is always something to do, regardless of your successes/failures.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

Every HNM linkshell that successfully claimed HNMs botted. Period.

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xD
Spoken like a true botter.

At any rate, here's an idea. Toss in a big hnm who's spawn is completely random. Could take 45 minutes, could take two weeks. Safeguards against holding. Similar to tiamat, but more random.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

Yeah and a group without bots could come in and just claim a Fafnir Yay! No one would try to steal their claim or mpk them. They had fun!
You might be the most delusional and ignorant person in this thread yet.
You said you got plenty of claims, that means your linkshell botted, and your gear was obtained through bots.
Dont act like such a saint.
Every HNM linkshell that successfully claimed HNMs botted. Period.

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I must have had some kind of amazing ps2 to bot and get all the claims i got...