It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

Magis , If you dont change the old raids/fights at all, you'll be shutting out ALL the new players joining coming with the expansion. I dont think
many players will buy this game knowing that half of the game is DEAD
and they'll never be able to try most of the fights. Even I wouldnt buy a game like that, and I think many players wil make the same choice.

The current raids won't even be a requirement to run the expansion content.

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Originally Posted by FranSeara

Magis , If you dont change the old raids/fights at all, you'll be shutting out ALL the new players joining coming with the expansion. I dont think
many players will buy this game knowing that half of the game is DEAD
and they'll never be able to try most of the fights. Even I wouldnt buy a game like that, and I think many players wil make the same choice.

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What did you think the ct weeklies, allagan materials added to 1st coil was for? Giggles?

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Originally Posted by FranSeara

Magis , If you dont change the old raids/fights at all, you'll be shutting out ALL the new players joining coming with the expansion. I dont think
many players will buy this game knowing that half of the game is DEAD
and they'll never be able to try most of the fights. Even I wouldnt buy a game like that, and I think many players wil make the same choice.

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That will be mostly your fault if you do not have friends. Also, you have the Duty Finder to try previous Coils, which even right now, besides T5 and 9, you can face roll and beat with little to no resistance. In WoW, which has like 9+ years of outdated content, people are still doing old content all the way back in it's vanilla days to earn achievements and gear for glamour. There are always shouts for them, and always people with their own reason going in. You underestimate the community.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

What did you think the ct weeklies, allagan materials added to 1st coil was for? Giggles?

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This still dosn't chage the FACT that some VETS never help out and Q for old Coil unless it for light farming. Even now the old raids are dead.
Guys, Please enjoy your self-made Dying Game. "Just remeber, I tried to help, you wouldn't let me"

Thanks Anneliese, but that not really the point.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

That will be mostly your fault if you do not have friends. Also, you have the Duty Finder to try previous Coils, which even right now, besides T5 and 9, you can face roll and beat with little to no resistance. In WoW, which has like 9+ years of outdated content, people are still doing old content all the way back in it's vanilla days to earn achievements and gear for glamour. There are always shouts for them, and always people with their own reason going in. You underestimate the community.

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This has nothing to do with me....sorry try again.

I support this. After reading through this thread I will say this.

Why are people mad over this idea?
No loot, no achievements, no progression PERIOD.
Just cutscenes.

This isn't even a casual vs hardcore content thing. Us casuals are NOT trying to get a free ride. We just want story.

But I do agree. SE would have to spend time retuning the content.

I say this:
Offer a quest that awards all the cutscenes.
We talk to some NPCs, and get a "Echo Crystal".
It lets us watch All the cutscenes from the innroom.

Boom. Problem solved. No Raid is even touched.
No loot, no exp, no echo buff, nothing.

Everyone is happy.

And do tell me how it's not the point? Relevant item level gear will be accessible to new players by other means. The only reason newer players have to do T5 and T9 is to obtain relevant item level gear or to unlock the next set of raids so they can catch up with the current content. None of that will be an issue in Heavensward as they stated that our current coil will not be tied to the new raid. It's a completely different story, and the normal mode (which is meant to be as difficult as post-nerf second coil that you can honestly clear reliably in DF aside from T9) will serve as the story mode raid that this thread is asking for.

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Originally Posted by FranSeara

This still dosn't chage the FACT that some VETS never help out and Q for old Coil unless it for light farming. Even now the old raids are dead.
Guys, Please enjoy your self-made Dying Game. "Just remeber, I tried to help, you wouldn't let me"

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Which vets are you referring to? Surely not the raiders? People keep saying they're evil and egoistic so surely you can't even BEGIN to think of expecting the raiders to help right? So the non raider veterans perhaps? Surely they'll help. They're all such nice angels with such strong max ilvl gears! So don't worry! The non raider veterans will help the non raider newbies! You have nothing to worry! They will easily tackle everything together like they're nothing!

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Originally Posted by Gardes

People quit on the team because they don't have faith on the team. They don't have faith on the team because they see something flawed in the team but why quit instead of trying to fix it? Have some of you ever think about that? I personally believe that it is because players have spread this notion that criticizing and using numbers to point things out is harassment. People just seem to have thin skin in this game. I have done contents where I gave short and concise advise/orders in a flat tone (but not rude) to cut down on time spent typing and people get offended by it.

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All I know is that both second coil and extreme primals are a waste of time because of the high frequency of rage quitting or Vote to Abandon popping up. I didn't even bother trying to do the new Odin trial or let alone Titan extreme because I have no reason to believe that it will accomplish anything other than frustration.

And speaking of Coil, the fact that the Dreadwyrm armor and accessories from Final Coil turns are not exceptionally more powerful than Demon equipment or Ironwork Magitek armor makes me further question the high difficulty of the raid.