Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

It's hard arguing with Zenaku because he mimics about 3 lines over and over and over.

Please just ignore them, as they still seem to fail to understand that you just want the ability to use the weapon and its skills, and don't really care much about how bad the combination is (JUSTLIKETHEFFXIJOBSYSTEMHMMMMMMMM??? -> Players turned that into a craphole, not SE).

Don't be a DRG just be a queen.

I'd rather have some motivation to lvl multiple jobs really. Think of FFIII that game plays completely differently depending on what jobs you choose.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I'd rather have some motivation to lvl multiple jobs really. Think of FFIII that game plays completely differently depending on what jobs you choose.

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Ah, but think of FFV that plays completely differently depending on 'how many' jobs you've chosen.

Customization is gold.

people still dont seem to get it..... any class can equip any job, but they still only have the weapon that class uses, a CON/SAM would be almost useless yes.... but there where useless combos in FFXI as well.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

It's hard arguing with Zenaku because he mimics about 3 lines over and over and over.

Please just ignore them, as they still seem to fail to understand that you just want the ability to use the weapon and its skills, and don't really care much about how bad the combination is (JUSTLIKETHEFFXIJOBSYSTEMHMMMMMMMM??? -> Players turned that into a craphole, not SE).

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I don't fail to understand stop being a jack???"no reason for you to be one i understand your guys way but you can't understand the few that don't want it?" you guys just don't understand what the others are saying am not the only one in this topic which said it should not be like that. Allow jobs to wear more then one wep but not everyone in the game.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

people still dont seem to get it..... any class can equip any job, but they still only have the weapon that class uses, a CON/SAM would be almost useless yes.... but there where useless combos in FFXI as well.

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And you don't seem to get that it is in no way established fact, nor is it even the most sensible and simple way of implementing classes. Other people are absolutely entitled to their own opinions.

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I think your misunderstanding what they said about jobs.

Job Actions: spells and skills only the Job itself can give you like White Mage's Benediction for instance, Can only be used if your job is White Mage.

It doesn't matter what you do with your weapon at that point the White Mage is what gives you those specific actions.

Then the White Mage limits what actions you can equip from all classes. If you equip White Mage you can't equip the black magic spells Conjurer knows, Even if you are a Conjurer.

So at this point it doesn't matter if you stay Conjurer or not so why keep the limitation in place?

In the end Once you assign a Job your Job Actions, and Class Actions/Cross-Class Actions get narrowed down into only a few select choices. After that the only thing your weapon does is define stats, and define how you do damage in a fight. If you use an Axe your physical attacks will mostly be AOE. if you us a Conjurer Staff your spells will cast AOE in a circle.

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And I think once AGAIN you're pretty much trying to tell people how to interpret what SE has said, which, thus far, has been incredibly vague and ambiguous.

The white mage class unlocks new spells, yes. Does that mean it unlocks the same new spells for any class it's equipped to? No. I would argue that it augments their current repertoire of healing spells and builds off of an established base.

I fail to see how your system that ultimately creates either a bunch of redundant combinations for the sake of the almighty FREEDOM (which no one would use, it's like saying every combination in FFXI is useful) or at the other end, creates a HUGE amount of new combinations that have to be balanced, taking a massive amount of time and also soaking up the devs who could be working on other things.

Aside from the class names, this method:

http://a.yfrog.com/img638/4315/gridv.png

Is the simplest, cleanest and also most likely to be implemented. Please don't simply say 'You're looking at it wrong' because I could argue you are.

Can someone kindly explain how the job-specific equipment will work under that system now? Will white mage job-specific equipment account for all the archers/gladiators/lancers/marauders who want to be holy knights or whatever? They've already said they want to give each class very individual stat choices to aim for in the future.

I'm not saying your ideas aren't good, what I am saying is it does get me quite annoyed when, just because you've got a giant FREEDOM following on this thread you think you can pretty much go "you're wrong" to other people.

EDIT: Also, I fail to see how this system is discounted by the potential for some classes to have more specialisations. WoW (sorry) already has some classes that can perform multiple roles and it doesn't affect their class distribution. In addition to that, I've already suggested 2 specialisations per class would be the best way to go, so most classes can perform 1-2 of the three major party roles. Of course, that's forgetting that FFXI had other roles such as buffer and debuffer, and Yoshi already mentioned buffing classes/jobs in the future.

Edit2: Just looking over that link I posted before, I think he and I really agree on the system. DoW under this method will probably all get a tanking specialisation and some variant of DD/buff/debuff specs, and DoM would get some variety of healing spec and DD/buff/debuff.

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Originally Posted by Amineri

You quite made my day with this comment! <3 <3 I feel like I did when I got a gold star on my math homework in grade school. :D I'll try to not let it go to my head, however...

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You should be honored, its hard enough as is to get anyone to agree with you on these forums. :P

+1 to Sephr who seemed to understand the same logical thing as me from the Dev. info (and quote from this thread own OP):

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•Jobs are Specialized Playstyles Optimized for Partying. (Great)

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Playing your class for X ranks made you acquire optimized playstyles (jobs) for various roles that you can further enhance with quests and such, why should these optimized playstyles (jobs) be usable by other classes (when these other classes can already equip other classes skills, a LNC/CON isn't enough, you want a LNC/WHM ???) ?

And why not allow LNC/WHM, or any other such combination? While I admit that the layout Sephr linked is indeed interesting, it's more of a promotion system then a job system, and honestly it would pull directly from any number of little F2P games out there. The 'split class promotion' concept is fairly limiting and has next to nothing in common with any job system from the FF series.

The more flexibility, the better. A true job system needs to allow the freedom to excel at something, balance multiple things, or yes, just suck at most everything. Not everything goes together well, but the fun is in the experimentation.