Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

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Originally Posted by raelgun

The point of this thread is talking about content being added mid way through an expansion.

Most of your post is only valid for the start of an expansion when new systems are introduced and a reset occurs, this isn't that.

People need to stop looking at things from a new player perspective only, this is why the game as time goes on gets more shallow.

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Incorrect.

We had an ilvl increase in 6.1 for crafters/gatherers, one in 6.2 for battle classes, one in 6.3 for crafters/gatherers, and we're about to have another one in 6.4 for the battle classes (which is the final ilvl increase for the expansion). So that's 80% of the big patches with an ilvl increase. That is not new player exclusive, that effects everyone.

We get a new EX in x.1, x.2, x.3, x.4, and x.5 patches. Meaning a new mount every big patch. That effects everyone at endgame who wants them.

A new glam you've decided on can be at any time, any place, and can effect any player.

So tell me where any of that is new player exclusive and valid only for an expansion's launch?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Incorrect.

We had an ilvl increase in 6.1 for crafters/gatherers, one in 6.2 for battle classes, one in 6.3 for crafters/gatherers, and we're about to have another one in 6.4 for the battle classes (which is the final ilvl increase for the expansion). So that's 80% of the big patches with an ilvl increase. That is not new player exclusive, that effects everyone.

We get a new EX in x.1, x.2, x.3, x.4, and x.5 patches. Meaning a new mount every big patch. That effects everyone at endgame who wants them.

A new glam you've decided on can be at any time, any place, and can effect any player.

So tell me where any of that is new player exclusive and valid only for an expansion's launch?

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And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

And what of that is long term please I'd love to know

The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.

Ex is getting taken down on day 1, or at the most in the first week if you are very slow and you are using PF

Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?

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Just because you or certain other people decide to brute force the content in a day doesn't mean that it's short. It means you decided it was.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Just because you or certain other people decide to brute force the content in a day doesn't mean that it's short. It means you decided it was.

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umm how long do you think it should take for an ex trial? They aren't savage fights.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

The new crafters/gatherer gear could be bought for 200k a piece a few days in.


Where is the long lasting content in what you mentioned ?

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Wants longer content

Suggests skipping content by paying someone else who did the provided content

Tries to convince people they want to do harder content and everyone who disagrees is lazy

While suggesting paying to skip content

Gold medal for mental gymnastics

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Wants longer content

Suggests skipping content by paying someone else who did the provided content

Tries to convince people they want to do harder content and everyone who disagrees is lazy

While suggesting paying to skip content

Gold medal for mental gymnastics

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I mean you understand that if it couldnt be sold on marketboard it would actually make crafters do it right ? The fact it's sold on the MB makes actually doing the work to craft it pointless, especially if its this cheap.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I mean you understand that if it couldnt be sold on marketboard it would actually make crafters do it right ? The fact it's sold on the MB makes actually doing the work to craft it pointless, especially if its this cheap.

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But the work is there if you’re looking for something to do. For more to accomplish. More bang for your buck with the price of your subscription.

I know not everything if for everyone. Some people may want the gear, on a 90, without ever wanting to craft.

But the activity and the grind is available

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

But the work is there if you’re looking for something to do. For more to accomplish. More bang for your buck with the price of your subscription.

I know not everything if for everyone. Some people may want the gear, on a 90, without ever wanting to craft.

But the activity and the grind is available

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But the point stands on how nothing is a grind on the game. There's always a catch-up mechanic for almost everything. Which is why the phrase "not everything has to be a grind" doesn't make sense, because again nothing truly is. Y'all are missing the point as always.

Players: “we don’t want to be forced to do content we don’t like in order to get relics.”
Devs: “ok, do content that gives tomes for your relic. We are giving you the freedom to choose.”
Players: “You devs are lazy for giving me the freedom to choose what I want. Never give me freedom again. Making me run old content or farm fates is less lazy because you added quest text and extra items to clog up my inventory.”

It’s been known since the first mention of relics that they were tied to Hildibrand stuff and that we weren’t getting a new area to explore this expansion. I personally like areas like Eureka and Bozja/Zadnor, but a significant number of people said, whether they meant it or not, that they hated that content.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

umm how long do you think it should take for an ex trial? They aren't savage fights.

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How lucky do you think you are with RNG? If there's 1 totem per run, worst case you're looking at 99 runs and then waiting for the patch allowing you to buy the mount. If there's 2, worst case is 50. Not everybody is lucky enough to get a mount on the first few clears, leading to the grind itself for that mount.