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Originally Posted by Dragon

Just keep showing your filthy arrogance. DDing in FFXI wasn't just about spike damage (parses proved as much), and DRG wasn't about only DPS either. But then again, no other job even came close to the healing efficiency a DRG could put out (6mp for 600~800hp at any moment in time, and 6mp for 1200~1400hp healed every couple minutes), and while still being able to outparse most DPS.

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With the Wyvern which died with one AOE, 20 minutes of no healing. You're now pointless in any party. Also BLU could out heal, so could WHM and so could DNC. You're completely clueless if you think anything different.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

@ Ingolf

It really is arrogant to think jobs like PUP and DRG were horrible jobs when it's not true. A well geared and knowledgeable player was need to excel at those jobs, pup in particular. PUP was one of the jobs where you needed the correct attachments as well as someone who knew how to properly utilize them to be particularly proficient with it, that is the reason behind the stereotypes about the job. I've seen what exceptional PUP's can do. DRG's were amazing when in the hands of a player who knew what they were doing.

I will say I've seen crappy SAM's however who didn't do things such as focus on a X-hit build, I've seen WAR's do things such as woodville/joy-toy, BLM's that couldn't control their hate and RDM's that couldn't maintain a refresh cycle...

One issue I do agree with you on is that not all jobs were particularly balanced for endgame.

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Yup.

I've known plenty of weakling Sams and Wars (hell, there is no glory in having outparsed any bad player), but I knew plenty of Wars and Sams that geared themselves up. At the end of the day, every job had their awful players and their good players - it just so happened that some endgame linkshells would rather take in an awful player on a job they perceived as good than a good player that had good gear on a job perceived as bad.

well at least this thread is no longer about jumping

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

You keep saying arrogant.

It's the wrong word to use.

DRGs were widely considered bad DDs at 75 compared to SAM. If you thought otherwise you were deluded, sorry.

XI's balance was far improved after Abyssea.

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oh and dont forget that SE nerfed Drgs Penta Thrust when Drg was considered that most powerful DD in game.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

well at least this thread is no longer about jumping

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Indeed. This thread is now about potato's.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

With the Wyvern which died with one AOE, 20 minutes of no healing. You're now pointless in any party. Also BLU could out heal, so could WHM and so could DNC. You're completely clueless if you think anything different.

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Yes, without a wyvern, a Drg/Mage was crippled, but nowhere near as badly as you're trying to make it out. Not to mention the fact that it didn't simply happen to those that knew how to manage their wyvern well enough.

P.S. Like I said, I did everything I talked about using a Thalassocrat and hardly any endgame gear. It'd definitely be no problem for any of those I know to destroy any Sam or War.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

well at least this thread is no longer about jumping

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It's now about cheesecake. ^.^;;

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Yes, without a wyvern, a Drg/Mage was crippled, but nowhere near as badly as you're trying to make it out. Not to mention the fact that it didn't simply happen to those that knew how to manage their wyvern well enough.

P.S. Like I said, I did everything I talked about using a Thalassocrat and hardly any endgame gear. It'd definitely be no problem for any of those I know to destroy any Sam or War.

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ITT: Rose tinted glasses and buyers remorse.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

ITT: Rose tinted glasses and buyers remorse.

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Hardly.

Sure FFXI had its problems of balancing, but you just gotta blow shit way out of proportion.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Hardly.

Sure FFXI had its problems of balancing, but you just gotta blow shit way out of proportion.

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I don't think you had buyers remorse with FFXI. I think you had buyers remorse with DRG. (and probably DRK) I mained MNK, and I have no silly ideas that I could keep up with SAM's DD prowess. Calling yourself the most efficient healer in the game was enough to show that you were the kind of person who wouldn't gear correctly and eyeball all your damage.