"In from the Cold" Scenario, any way to skip it?

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

That's won't be able to happen with the current player base. More complex dungeons sound good on paper, but roulette players get tired of having someone mess up a puzzle on their 2,000th run of the dungeon and new players don't want someone spiriting through the dungeon without letting them figure the puzzle out or explore the side rooms first.

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And this is why Trusts are going to be fleshed out and why they are putting so much effort into pushing that out. Gatekeeping isn't necessarily a bad thing, there is a reason why the clown sign says "you must be this tall to ride".

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

It speaks volumes about you to when all you see, across all the discussions about said quest, is that its "waah tooo hard pls nerf" , and the opposite of "omg get good you looser" as you so ignorantly displayed
You cannot see the woods for the trees and have to interject an "at least with wow" like that has any clout here at all and were are supposed to value your input when across all the discussions many people have , on both sides , said their piece in clear and thoughtful ways regardless of the less than patient types you aimed for when making your judgment.

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Yes, people have said their piece.
And the people saying their piece are getting shat on by the epeen-strokers because of unmentioned levels of "git gud."
You can see it through the entire fucking thread. Don't try and tell me I'm less-than-patient when there's tangible proof of this in-fucking-thread.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

Yes, people have said their piece.
And the people saying their piece are getting shat on by the epeen-strokers because of unmentioned levels of "git gud."
You can see it through the entire fucking thread. Don't try and tell me I'm less-than-patient when there's tangible proof of this in-fucking-thread.

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As there are people saying how much they enjoyed, or didn't enjoy the quest without reducing themselves to insults and childish rants, just as been displayed across ALL the discussions this forum has had on the subject of In From The Cold.

Your fingers are bright red from all that cherry picking you've been doing.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

Yes, people have said their piece.
And the people saying their piece are getting shat on by the epeen-strokers because of unmentioned levels of "git gud."
You can see it through the entire fucking thread. Don't try and tell me I'm less-than-patient when there's tangible proof of this in-fucking-thread.

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Being decent at games is now considered "epeen-strokers" tier? Is this one of those "Small cups are now medium cups" things now?

Yeah, this duty had a cool idea, but terrible execution, and of course it is UNREASONABLY long for no reason at all. After a few minutes being completely clueless on where to go, I just suicided and restarted on very easy, just to power through any wrong path I took. Also sucks that you can open the map and see a straight line from where you are to your objective, but the duty locks you in a messy pathing.

Think it in one way is great, it calls for patience in stead of speed, which many lack and could learn something from.

I did it twice on two chars.
The first time I managed to clear on easy mode because I was totally lost ; the second time was cleared on normal mode - before nerf - at first try so I guess one can figure it out eventually (I was proud of my improvement!).

I liked this type of duty honesty, it was a nice change imo.
I just didn’t like at all the end of all of this struggle; the first time I did the duty, I was really worried about what Zenos could do to others with my wol appearance. All of this for… quite nothing.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

"I cLeArEd It FiRsT tRy"
"It'S eAsY"
"I hAd No PrObLeMs, GiT gUd"

These comments literally do nothing to help anything, anyone. Regardless of the content or situation these comments are used in, and this GCBTW loves to pull these lines the MOMENT someone struggles with something. Trust me, the world is happy and very proud that you never had an issue with completing something, but don't try to invalidate the issues someone else has over something. Offer tips and tricks (which many have done in this situation) and understand it's okay for people to not like something you do. Doesn't mean you need to try to passive aggressively shame someone.

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Surprise! This is what happens whenever someone doesn't give actionable or debatable critique and just complains about something and says that it needs to be removed. Doubly so whenever responses like "Try X", "Do it on Very Easy", "Just take your time." "Here are where you can find things." are responded to with a childish "I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO! IT SHOULD JUST BE GIVEN TO ME!"

Discussion takes 2 people and if the person ostensibly "leading" the discussion is just bitching, then there's not much to discuss except proving the fact that they're in the minority by showing them that a majority of people had no problem with it.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

That's won't be able to happen with the current player base. More complex dungeons sound good on paper, but roulette players get tired of having someone mess up a puzzle on their 2,000th run of the dungeon and new players don't want someone spiriting through the dungeon without letting them figure the puzzle out or explore the side rooms first.

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I think that it's more a problem that people make up these boogiemen who at best are the vast vast minority of players in FFXIV and at worst don't exist at all.

Let's hope we don't see anything like this quest this time.