So, can we just ban damage meters already.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fynlar

Not a fan of the math boss; I am perfectly fine with basic math, but it still took me months of not realizing why I was failing it and getting killed before I learned how to do it correctly because I didn't realize that it used your HP to give your "response" and that the 1-2-3-4 platforms you stand in are not supposed to be your "response". It wasn't explained very well.

---

Your HP is reduced to a certain threshold, and you utilize the 1-2-3-4 platforms to increase your HP if need be. Like, say your HP is reduced to 2, but you need to provide Construct 7 with multiples of 3. You step into the 1 platform to make your HP 3, which is a multiple of 3. So, you do use the platforms to manipulate your “response” if your HP alone is insufficient.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fynlar

I still think it's crap that it isn't, to be honest. It's pretty similar to my feelings about how Pluto should still be a planet.

---

If you make 1 a prime it breaks a lot of theorems, but most importantly the fundamental theorem of arithmetic which states that every positive integer greater than one can be written uniquely as a product of primes. E.g. 2 x 3 = 6. Include 1 as a prime, and you end up with infinitely many products of primes for any positive integer. E.g. 1 x 2 x 3, 1 x 1 x 2 x 3, and so on.

Quote:

---

Your HP is reduced to a certain threshold, and you utilize the 1-2-3-4 platforms to increase your HP if need be. Like, say your HP is reduced to 2, but you need to provide Construct 7 with multiples of 3. You step into the 1 platform to make your HP 3, which is a multiple of 3. So, you do use the platforms to manipulate your “response” if your HP alone is insufficient.

---

Yeah I got it several months down the line, but before that there was a whole lot of "but I stepped in the right platform; why isn't it working?"

Quote:

---

If you make 1 a prime it breaks a lot of theorems, but most importantly the fundamental theorem of arithmetic which states that every positive integer greater than one can be written uniquely as a product of primes. E.g. 2 x 3 = 6. Include 1 as a prime, and you end up with infinitely many products of primes for any positive integer. E.g. 1 x 2 x 3, 1 x 1 x 2 x 3, and so on.

---

I'm not seeing the issue with that tbh. Infinity is a concept that already shows up elsewhere in math; if someone wants to be obtuse and write 8 as 1x1x1x1x2x2x1x1x2 I say let em.

There's a reason it's called the fundamental theorem of arithmetic. Unique factorization of primes factors into so many other proofs and theorems that if you break that it breaks a lot of other math. Keyword there is unique. If one is a prime there are no unique factorizations and proofs break left, right and centre. To be fair, 1 used to be considered a prime, but the definition of primes was updated to be more precise and thus exclude 1 as these other branches of math were discovered or better understood. 1 is better understood as a unit. Interestingly, other branches of math have their own equivalent definitions of primes which also classify 1 or their unit equivalent as not a prime as well by similar properties.

The fact that infinity is a concept in math doesn't mean squat. You have to have a proof why something matters or doesn't matter.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Melichoir

But more difficult dungeon content to help raise that skill floor for players, especially at the lower levels, will be better overall.

---

Yeah MMOs fail pretty miserably at the "gentle increase in difficulty". It's usually just faceroll easy until you hit the brickwall of difficulty that is organized raiding. :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mhaeric

If you make 1 a prime it breaks a lot of theorems, but most importantly the fundamental theorem of arithmetic which states that every positive integer greater than one can be written uniquely as a product of primes. E.g. 2 x 3 = 6. Include 1 as a prime, and you end up with infinitely many products of primes for any positive integer. E.g. 1 x 2 x 3, 1 x 1 x 2 x 3, and so on.

---

I won't pretend to be well versed in mathematical theorems, but just from what you've said... if 1 isn't a prime number, how can any prime number fit the theorem? A prime number (as I understand it) has factors of only 1 and itself. But if every positive integer must be a product of primes, how does any prime number work if 1 is not prime?

I'm not trying to be obtuse here, I actually just don't understand it in the context of what you've described.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Callinon

I won't pretend to be well versed in mathematical theorems, but just from what you've said... if 1 isn't a prime number, how can any prime number fit the theorem? A prime number (as I understand it) has factors of only 1 and itself. But if every positive integer must be a product of primes, how does any prime number work if 1 is not prime?

I'm not trying to be obtuse here, I actually just don't understand it in the context of what you've described.

---

A product can include just itself... sort of. I know it's not intuitive, but it's there. The formal definition is usually expressed as a product of powers of primes and in simplified form is n = p1^i * p2^j ... and so on. N is the number you want to make out of primes, and p are the primes. E.g. 6 = 2^1 * 3^1. Some numbers just have a single p like 8 = 2^3. Prime numbers are just the simplest case of single p and the power it is raised to is just 1. E.g. 5 = 5^1.

And to get a bit more abstract, technically this means that all numbers include all primes as part of their product using this definition since p^0 = 1. I.e. the full product of primes for 5 is: 5 = 2^0 * 3^0 * 5^1 * 7^0 * 11^0 * ... etc. This is allowed since it still uniquely defines the number despite having an infinite number of terms. E.g. you will always have 3^0 and 5^0 as factors in 14 and changing those or any other term with power 0 will change the number. The number 1 breaks this, because 1 to any power is still 1 so it doesn't change the result. This means that if p were allowed to be 1 there would be no more unique factorization where n = p1^i * p2^j ... and so on. E.g. 5 = 1^0 * 5^1 = 1^1 * 5^1 = etc.

Edited: great question by the way! That's exactly the right kind of thinking to approach the problem. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mhaeric

A product can include just itself... sort of. I know it's not intuitive, but it's there. The formal definition is usually expressed as a product of powers of primes and in simplified form is n = p1^i * p2^j ... and so on. N is the number you want to make out of primes, and p are the primes. E.g. 6 = 2^1 * 3^1. Some numbers just have a single p like 8 = 2^3. Prime numbers are just the simplest case of single p and the power it is raised to is just 1. E.g. 5 = 5^1.

And to get a bit more abstract, technically this means that all numbers include all primes as part of their product using this definition since p^0 = 1. I.e. the full product of primes for 5 is: 5 = 2^0 * 3^0 * 5^1 * 7^0 * 11^0 * ... etc. This is allowed since it still uniquely defines the number despite having an infinite number of terms. E.g. you will always have 3^0 and 5^0 as factors in 14 and changing those or any other term with power 0 will change the number. The number 1 breaks this, because 1 to any power is still 1 so it doesn't change the result. This means that if p were allowed to be 1 there would be no more unique factorization where n = p1^i * p2^j ... and so on. E.g. 5 = 1^0 * 5^1 = 1^1 * 5^1 = etc.

Edited: great question by the way! That's exactly the right kind of thinking to approach the problem. :)

---

Thanks, that actually does make a lot more sense when explained with exponents.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Melichoir

Math Boss and Hashmal were good bosses. But Im of hte mindset we need to increase difficulty of the dungeons from the bottom up. If that means increasing exp values as well so it evens out, so be it. But more difficult dungeon content to help raise that skill floor for players, especially at the lower levels, will be better overall. The issue with current dungeons is they end up teaching players to face roll content instead of teaching them "Yes, you can wipe in this content, even with better gear. So play better and pay attention."

---

Imo Hashmal, or in general all of Rabanstre, was good because it has no obstruse mechanics. It can be your first run and it's pretty clear what's going on at all times, it just comes down to execution. A first timer going blind can understand and pick up mechanics on the fly.

Then there are the raids with obstruse stuff. Like Mustadio... I got that he was about to snipe me, but why would I have to face the open side of my ring towards him and not the solid side? It makes zero sense and is counter intuitive, so ofc I got obliterated the first time. Cheap deaths like that make you blame the game tho, and rightfully so. If it was 100% clear whats expected of me and I still failed, then I would blame myself for doing something wrong/being bad.

Quote:

---

The fact that infinity is a concept in math doesn't mean squat. You have to have a proof why something matters or doesn't matter.

---

Why does it "matter" if integers greater than 1 can all be products of primes? Sounds to me like that's something that matters only because we've arbitrarily decided it does, much like how it seems rather arbitrary to exclude 1 as a prime simply because "well then you could just say 1x1x1x1x1..."