Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

Do any of you guys run both DRG and MNK in your Coil groups?

If so, does the MNK out DPS you? By how much if they do?

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Originally Posted by Lizleihi

Do any of you guys run both DRG and MNK in your Coil groups?

If so, does the MNK out DPS you? By how much if they do?

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He outdps me by about 40 in a fight without any mechanics that drop gl I think.

My first kill the opening weekend, we had a Monk along side of me.
He would pull a head of me yes for the most part, but in the end, it was just RNG on Devour, Vines and what not.

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Originally Posted by Lizleihi

Do any of you guys run both DRG and MNK in your Coil groups?

If so, does the MNK out DPS you? By how much if they do?

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About 8% more on a single target with no significant mechanics interruptions, like Monks are supposed to.

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Originally Posted by Lizleihi

Do any of you guys run both DRG and MNK in your Coil groups?

If so, does the MNK out DPS you? By how much if they do?

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I run with a monk. For Turn 6, our dps can be either nearly identical or not even close. For my group anyway, it depends on who is getting the pollen and frequency of vines targeting us. Our T6 kill the other night, my armchair math said he was about 300 dps. I was only at 277 dps. I was targeted with vines and pollen much more frequently.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

About 8% more on a single target with no significant mechanics interruptions, like Monks are supposed to.

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This, my MNK static partner outdoes me by about 10% when we deal with similar mechanics, and I'm better for bursty parts of fights. It's as it should be.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

About 8% more on a single target with no significant mechanics interruptions, like Monks are supposed to.

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If you're with a Monk who knows what he's doing, that is.

Many a time I've out DPS'd a monk and I cry each time.

I just want to get some confirmation regarding jump and power surge. When power surge is on cool down, and jump has become available again, is it better to wait for power surge before using it again, or is it better to use jump it straight away?

I've been waiting to use jump for when power surge was available again, but I'm wondering if I've been making a mistake in doing so.

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Originally Posted by Andyman

I just want to get some confirmation regarding jump and power surge. When power surge is on cool down, and jump has become available again, is it better to wait for power surge before using it again, or is it better to use jump it straight away?

I've been waiting to use jump for when power surge was available again, but I'm wondering if I've been making a mistake in doing so.

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Jump. Doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit

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Originally Posted by Lizleihi

Do any of you guys run both DRG and MNK in your Coil groups?

If so, does the MNK out DPS you? By how much if they do?

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Don't have one anymore but when we did have,in a standing fight without having to move he had about 20-30 more dps than me.

What my next purchases should be with Solidery currency? I already brought the Weathered Gloam Ring last week since it was an obvious choice. I'm factoring in that I have Allagan Gauntlets of Maiming, Allagan Trousers of Maiming and Wyrm's Greaves. Still trying to get my first T5 kill in the meantime, so getting the Allagan boots will take a while.

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Originally Posted by Evilbear

I miss about once or twice at T6 with 482 acc. The misses are all on the hornet when the honey debuff is on me... apparently I always get the honey zzz...

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That's probably because you hit it from front, I have done T8 with 485 and doesn't seem to miss from flank/rear, it does miss from front though.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticDarkGriever

What my next purchases should be with Solidery currency? I already brought the Weathered Gloam Ring last week since it was an obvious choice. I'm factoring in that I have Allagan Gauntlets of Maiming, Allagan Trousers of Maiming and Wyrm's Greaves. Still trying to get my first T5 kill in the meantime, so getting the Allagan boots will take a while.

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So far non high allagan BiS are 110 upgraded SOL chest, gloves (debatable with high allagan ones due to the exact amount of t9 accuracy needed), pants, boots and ring.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

EDIT: Crap read it wrong.

Think you get the Sands of Time from Coil, then go to Hrystmill and there's a guy who will upgrade it there

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Can u leave me a weathered map like u did allagan? I got 490 solds. What do I go for in order? I'm at 88 I lvl now.

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Originally Posted by VaShawn

Can u leave me a weathered map like u did allagan? I got 490 solds. What do I go for in order? I'm at 88 I lvl now.

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At this point no. We don't know perfect BiS lists yet nor where everything drops.

It is looking like the neck drops T9, so that could be one to get; Ring is good too. Body is needed for Acc, and many DRG have bought the legs since those are T8

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Originally Posted by PArcher

At this point no. We don't know perfect BiS lists yet nor where everything drops.

It is looking like the neck drops T9, so that could be one to get; Ring is good too. Body is needed for Acc, and many DRG have bought the legs since those are T8

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Ok. I'm at 700 sols. So I'll just ask again when I hit 2000

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Originally Posted by PArcher

At this point no. We don't know perfect BiS lists yet nor where everything drops.

It is looking like the neck drops T9, so that could be one to get; Ring is good too. Body is needed for Acc, and many DRG have bought the legs since those are T8

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Neck drops T7.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=182031962

It's the Chest, Belt and Weapon no one has seen so far. By the looks of it, there's only 2 drops in Turn 9 for each job. So the Chest and Belt are the only items that would either drop Turn 7/8.

The Weathered Belt is a waste of a purchase until you've got yourself the Weathered Chest to make up the accuracy. I Chest, Pants (which we should have), & Bracelets are the safest purchases, as Bracelets drop T8, and the Chest is currently unknown, but will be in the later Turns.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Neck drops T7.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=182031962

It's the Chest, Belt and Weapon no one has seen so far. By the looks of it, there's only 2 drops in Turn 9 for each job. So the Chest and Belt are the only items that would either drop Turn 7/8.

The Weathered Belt is a waste of a purchase until you've got yourself the Weathered Chest to make up the accuracy. I'd the purchase the Chest, Pants (which we should have), & Bracelets are the safest purchases, as Bracelets drop T8, and the Chest is currently unknown, but will be in the later Turns.

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OK, last i looked neck was still unknown, good to know.

Personally, I'm getting the body next week (and need to farm T5 for the boots still...stupid things won't drop) then the ring the next week. Have Allagan hands already, so those are out

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Originally Posted by Empressia

So far non high allagan BiS are 110 upgraded SOL chest, gloves (debatable with high allagan ones due to the exact amount of t9 accuracy needed), pants, boots and ring.

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Thanks for the response. From the looks of it, the Solidery head piece is out of the question. The Allagan Visor of Maiming still haven't dropped for me while I still have the Wrym's Helm. Should I still go farm for it even though Acc is a non-issue for me at the moment?

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Originally Posted by Empressia

So far non high allagan BiS are 110 upgraded SOL chest, gloves (debatable with high allagan ones due to the exact amount of t9 accuracy needed), pants, boots and ring.

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495~ Accuracy for T9. T8/T9 accuracy is similar, in the same way T4/T5 is roughly the same. Pre-T9 BiS excludes either the High Allagan Chest or Belt.

What really, really sucks is that until you've got yourself the High Allagan Spear, our SS will be 450-480. Rip TP

I'm starting to gear up my Dragoon again, wondering which piece is the safest to buy while others are still figuring out the caps for each turn.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

I'm starting to gear up my Dragoon again, wondering which piece is the safest to buy while others are still figuring out the caps for each turn.

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Ring, there are only two ilvl110 rings. If you want the less obvious answers, read back a few pages.

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Originally Posted by JetBrooks

Ring, there are only two ilvl110 rings. If you want the less obvious answers, read back a few pages.

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Thanks Captain!

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Clicked page 216~ish seems Pants and Ring hold its ground.

Ring, Pants, Boots, Ring, Bracelets & chest are safe purchases to max ilvl if you're doing t6+ progression.

Question can u wear weathered gloam ring and gloam ring together? I mean it's not weathered anymore since its been upgraded?

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Question can u wear weathered gloam ring and gloam ring together? I mean it's not weathered anymore since its been upgraded?

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Probably...but to get the Oil you have to clear T7, and the Allagan ring drops T7

Exactly. And why would you waste 375 Mytho to purchase another i100 ring which could easily be replaced? :P

Screw that I wanna wear 2 pairs of pants!

Seems like the DRG chest and belt are the only drops unconfirmed to have dropped yet. I'm assuming they drop in T9. In which case the chest piece is seeming like a pretty safe purchase to squeeze out a little more DPS for turns 6-9. I'm still a bit torn on whether I should grab the chest now or wait for an Unidentified Allagan Tomestone for my Weathered Liberator (already bought my ring and currently still working on T7).

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Crimz

I'm still a bit torn on whether I should grab the chest now or wait for an Unidentified Allagan Tomestone for my Weathered Liberator (already bought my ring and currently still working on T7).

Thoughts?

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I considered the same thing. In the end, I chose to spend soldiery tokens for armor over getting the weathered liberator. I've been farming Leviathan Ex quite a bit in an attempt to get the mirror for the tidal harpoon. I've seen about half a dozen mirrors now...but just haven't been lucky on the roll.

so is the consensus 482 ACC for T6?

and 495~ for T9?

Any word on T7 or T8??

472 for T6 lol. You should never be attacking from the front, even when he's turning around to devour. Attack from the flank, but closer to the rear and you'll not get devoured, nor cleaved when he turns around.

And it's 493-495 for T8/9

Just got the chest & pants, DET dropped, but had over 500 accuracy, so had to switch around with the accessories. (Wave harpoon btw.)

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Originally Posted by Dervy

472 for T6 lol. You should never be attacking from the front, even when he's turning around to devour. Attack from the flank, but closer to the rear and you'll not get devoured, nor cleaved when he turns around.

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So similar to Cadeceus's attacking location, right at the edge of the backwards cone?

K sounds good, I'll optimize my set for 472 for now ^^.

One thing that should be noted, is how badass the Wolfram Helmet is, BiS and you can get it right away and it can have up to 21 acc to boot, although to optimize with current materia you really should have 18 (two aim IVs)

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

so is the consensus 482 ACC for T6?

and 495~ for T9?

Any word on T7 or T8??

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T8 is 495+ for sure.
Ran on it for a solid three hours last night. Only misses where on wipes where the boss turned on me and I was tanking for a brief moment before hitting the ground ^^
Other then that, solid 100% hits ( I am running current 498 )

I run 488 on t8 havent missed yet.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Neck drops T7.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=182031962

It's the Chest, Belt and Weapon no one has seen so far. By the looks of it, there's only 2 drops in Turn 9 for each job. So the Chest and Belt are the only items that would either drop Turn 7/8.

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I'm just looking at the drops listed in the doc; looks like there are 3 drops per turn per class, except for one turn which drops 2 (PLD being the exception, having 3 drops in each turn)

I'm guessing we'll either see the Body or Belt in T6, OR both drop T9. I guessing the T7 and T8 drops for DRG are all found.

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

So similar to Cadeceus's attacking location, right at the edge of the backwards cone?

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Isn't that where you should be regularly standing against every mob/boss outside of specific circumstances? Instead of the other way around.

Since that allows for minimal movement to go from flank/rear based on the target circle.

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You should never be attacking from the front

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Except that when you need to attack the bulb close to the boss its just super inconvenient to move your camera around in order to be behind so you re kinda forced to do a quick TTT here, or ID on rafflesia and then DiS on it

About the weapon it all depend if you got enough soldiery + advancement in Coils to get the ilvl110. That and some pieces to cover the complete lack of accuracy on the Liberator too

The thing I really hate about the Liberator is the Skill Speed... We'll be stacking 454-468 SS with the Liberator and full i110, until we get our High Allagan Spear. It really, really pains me to the point where I might just purposfully build max Det/Crit, without using solvers just because of that weapon.