Difficulty of normal content.

I haven't logged into the forums in years but I saw this post circulating and had to put my say in.

Absolutely I do not want them to adjust the difficulty to be easier at all and I want my voice to be heard just as much as OP.

It's quite literally a skill issue if you're incapable of learning these.fights. I'm sick of people being coddled. There are people at level 100 that don't understand basics and it baffles me how they got as far as they have.

This is a puzzle game. Raids are puzzles. Please figure them out. Don't nerf. I wouldn't even mind them being more difficult!

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Originally Posted by Estrid

Uh? Yeah????? I like cool mounts and gear???? I think the majority of raiders do aswell. Like you gotta be trolling now, there's no why you think people are just gonna put up with a whole raid tier just to get NOTHING right? Weapons, Mounts, Titles, Orchestrion Rolls it doesn't matter. People like being rewarded for their hard work. Do you seriously think people would do TOP, DSR or any other hard content if they didn't get a damn thing? God your arguments are just pathetic.

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If that's your case then surely we should lock mounts behind Ultimates so there is a good enough "reward" for me too because I actually do Ults? Also, I don't believe this was what the person you're replying to was trying to address, they were more being rightfully dismissive of OP for proclaiming that they're willing to break ToS for their own satisfaction, at the cost of other players.

Also just attaching on the side that maybe the reason that some of these accounts are new (I know mine is) is because I've spent since 4.5 not caring enough about OF brainrot to actually post here and now that we're no longer catering to babies I want the game to stay that way? Maybe more than 1 person does?

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Originally Posted by Estrid

Uh? Yeah????? I like cool mounts and gear???? I think the majority of raiders do aswell. Like you gotta be trolling now, there's no why you think people are just gonna put up with a whole raid tier just to get NOTHING right? Weapons, Mounts, Titles, Orchestrion Rolls it doesn't matter. People like being rewarded for their hard work. Do you seriously think people would do TOP, DSR or any other hard content if they didn't get a damn thing? God your arguments are just pathetic.

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I'm not really sure if you just quoted the wrong person or what. But I don't see how this is a response to the quote you put in the message.

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Originally Posted by MizuJosh

There are people at level 100 that don't understand basics and it baffles me how they got as far as they have.

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I think this is a great argument as to why Square Enix needs to consider new content that is below max level. Limiting multiplayer content to those that have already been playing for hundreds of hours is incredibly limiting for an MMO. The entire game before level 100 is single player. In a subscription MMO. And yet, you must do it, you must not skip, otherwise you are a bad player (per the posters here). You can not learn in level 100 content, you must already be good. Otherwise you need to unsubscribe (per the posters here). FFXIV will stop growing and your game will die out or become an elitist c-jerk like WoW Classic.

For example, WoW PvP has the same problem. Solution? Blizzard released "Plunderstorm", which was a new PvP game mode for all levels of players. Square Enix can do the same thing with PvE content, so that you can teach new players the game without going through hundreds of hours of point-and-click adventure. It will be needed someday. You might not like it, but you're only getting older. Sure, you might be the last generation to play FFXIV, but should FFXIV really give up that easily when other MMOs have been relevant for twice as long and have raised multiple generations of players?

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I want my voice to be heard just as much as OP.

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Your voice is being heard 3,127% more than OP judging by the number of posts in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Skullmakerdemon

I've been playing this game since 2.1

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Final Fantasy XIV will cease to be relevant if people with 10+ years of experience are the primary demographic.

Jesus Christ.

I've been playing this game since 2.1 and I was folding my hands over my head everytime the content got easier and easier. The content that is optional, that is.

If you can't handle it, deal with it and move on. Don't drag the experience down for people who enjoy challenging content.


And you, my man. People play Ultimates and Savage mostly for the challenge and the prestige you get from clearing it. And how do you flex that you killed it? Titles, Adventurer Card customization, weapons and mounts. And this is the reason why you get stuff to flex with. Because it's proof you're good at the game. It's not necessarily about the rewards themselves.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

I think this is a great argument as to why Square Enix needs to consider new content that is below max level. Limiting multiplayer content to those that have already been playing for hundreds of hours is incredibly limiting for an MMO. The entire game before level 100 is single player. In a subscription MMO. And yet, you must do it, you must not skip, otherwise you are a bad player (per the posters here). You can not learn in level 100 content, you must already be good. Otherwise you need to unsubscribe (per the posters here). FFXIV will stop growing and your game will die out or become an elitist c-jerk like WoW Classic.



Your voice is being heard 3,127% more than OP judging by the number of posts in this thread.

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We don't want you to already be good. We want you to learn how to fall and pick yourself back up rather than cry about it and make it so nobody gets to go out in the rain anymore when people actually don't mind.

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Originally Posted by MizuJosh

I haven't logged into the forums in years but I saw this post circulating and had to put my say in.

Absolutely I do not want them to adjust the difficulty to be easier at all and I want my voice to be heard just as much as OP.

It's quite literally a skill issue if you're incapable of learning these.fights. I'm sick of people being coddled. There are people at level 100 that don't understand basics and it baffles me how they got as far as they have.

This is a puzzle game. Raids are puzzles. Please figure them out. Don't nerf. I wouldn't even mind them being more difficult!

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It shouldn't baffle you.

This game does a tragic job of teaching the fundamentals of the game, and this has only gotten worse and worse over the years.

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Originally Posted by Deslyxic

we (the people not ok with this difficulty) need for the devs to hear it to hopefully make a course correction.

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"we" aka the people that feel that normal raids or expert dungeons are too hard are approximately not even 5% of the playerbase. Why should the majority of people, about 95%, who enjoy and also feel completely fine with the challenge presented adjust to your course?
Have you ever considered that the fault is on you and not the game? Have you ever considered improving? I highly doubt that.

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Originally Posted by Deslyxic

And it's not an issue of learning the fight, because that I can do

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if you are capable of learning the fight then whats the issue here? I just hear blablabla if i'm honest. People like you have forgotten that gaming always was, is and will be a challenge. If you want to just sit back and watch stuff go see a movie in the theatre.
Seriously... i wish people like you were born in the 80s like me and experienced what "difficult games" really mean

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

It shouldn't baffle you.

This game does a tragic job of teaching the fundamentals of the game, and this has only gotten worse and worse over the years.

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It does, on that I will agree wholeheartedly, but that kind of spells out the issue: Rather than being willing to bring players up and teach them the fundamental skills underpinning the combat system, we're coddling them and willingly letting them be bad and the playerbase's overall skill level deteriorate because CBU3 isn't willing to make HotN more informative, isn't willing to put a stricter skill gate before current content, and isn't willing to start using EX/Savage to gate out bad mentors. Those are issues that can and should be fixed, but the fix isn't to make the entire game easier. There is no timeline where that's ideal, it's putting the cart before the horse, and shooting the horse so it stops complaining about the cart.

No, some stuff is already starting to fade in difficulty, as ppl are getting gear and experience. I barely have to heal anymore in the new expert dungeons. wait a bit before proclaiming things to be too hard