If you went to the gates of Ishgard, but hadn't completed all of ARR, a brief message should appear, basically stating "Proceeding directly to Heavensward will include spoilers for the ARR story, do you wish to proceed?: Y/N"
That's it.
They've already shown they have the ability to do this, because that's what these potions do. They enable players to skip directly to the current expansion by altering their quest flags. The only reason it is in the mogstation is because of profit.
No further work than they've already completed need be done. It would not impact development of content for Stormblood in the slightest. But it wouldn't make them money.
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12-18-2016, 06:35 AMDrStiles
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12-18-2016, 06:36 AMValkyrie_LennethI think you are making it out a lot less complicated than it really is. If it was this easy, they probably would have gone that route.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrStiles
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12-18-2016, 06:41 AMVejjiegirl
IMO Squarenix needs to go back and fix older content rather than add jump potions, adding Jump potions is a very greedy and incredibily lazy move. All it does is adds an excuse for them to NOT go back and fix older content.
Think about it for a second why should they go back and fix anything if they add these jump potions. It's just a bandaid.
They need to:
1. Trim down 2.0 and 3.0 Quests, Remove Fetch Quests, Remove Filler quests, 2.0 especially is FULL of fetch quests.
2. They need to increase the exp rewarded from older dungeons and side quests so they are on par with the exp boost from mainstory quests.
3. Shorten the Mainstory of filler content, again remove fetch quests from them.
4. Fix Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium. They need to re-design these two dungeons so they are the same as the 3.0 End Game dungeons.
Cutscene Before dungeon-> Dungeon Content-> Cutscene when boss is killed-> Cutscene when Exciting the dungeon.
5. For those that want to skip through the story they could easily create messages for story locked out areas that they are story sensitive content, like DrStiles said.
I really don't want to hear them say:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrStiles
"We will not do changes to older content, please buy our Story Skip, Leveling Potions instead"
Make it easier for new players to catch up through GAMEPLAY and not IRL CASH. Or at least use the funds you get from the Job skip pots to help fund the changes... -
12-18-2016, 06:43 AMDrStilesI don't really see any functional difference between what I suggested and what the story jump potion does. The only real difference is clicking "yes" in-game as opposed to on the mogstation. The result is identical. One costs money and they other doesn't. Do you think someone at SE has to manually go in and change all the 0's to 1's when you use the jump potion? you get it in moogle mail after purchasing it and it happens instantly. completely automated. If they have this system in place, why are they charging for it? If the cost is meant to be a deterrent, why are they marketing it specifically to new players? wouldn't that defeat the purpose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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12-18-2016, 06:44 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
You guys keep saying they need to go back and fix things, but are you willing to go through content droughts when they do? It doesnt magically happen, and the people that would fix them are the same that make new content.
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12-18-2016, 06:46 AMRemusDo you honestly know how long that would take...? People seem to think this is easy or something.Quote:
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12-18-2016, 06:46 AMBlakeEarhartIt doesn't have to put a sudden stop to everything, they can go in and remove some quests between each patch.Quote:
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12-18-2016, 06:46 AMVejjiegirlRead what I said in red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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12-18-2016, 06:48 AMDrStilesI just want to know why you think there will be content droughts if the very system they are using for these jump potions is simply in the game instead. What more is there to develop? The system is already in place. I'm not sure I understand. I'm not trying to be condescending, I just don't get where you're coming from. Why would this be difficult or time-consuming to implement if it already exists?Quote:
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12-18-2016, 06:53 AMrainichan
I kept telling myself I wouldn't, but here I am anyway... I'm not going to read through 50+ pages of salt that would make Ozma sad he couldn't produce. At this rate I'm half expecting the last Shadows of Mhach raid to have the boss be a horrible mishmash of a monster named Jump Potion Cash Shop and take a page out of KH and make you traverse through Monstro the Whale, since that gets thrown around so much. I'm going to assume what's been thrown around this thread since I've seen it in the 8547812+ other threads about the Cash Shop, Jump Potions, etc. It's likely no different.
>"They better make Hall of the Novice compulsory for doing story!"
They do. You can't go through Sastasha on a new character until you complete the Hall of the Novice. You talk to Reiner, he sends you to the Aleport and your quest marker brings you to the Hall. Until you complete the training in there for whatever class you're on, the quest marker to talk to the NPC outside of the Sastasha entrance does not appear. My source? I play on Balmung. I have all 8 slots filled, and a few characters at 15 or at Sastasha-level. It was also in the 3.2 patch notes: "[2.0] Players will now be instructed to visit the Hall of the Novice while progressing through the main scenario quest "It's Probably Pirates."" You literally cannot unlock Duty Finder during the story until you complete it. Whether or not that changes with a story jump, I wouldn't know. Yeah it flags everything, but if someone only uses the Job Jump one, they'd still have to go through it for story.
As it is, at Vegas Fanfest Yoshi-P mentioned possibly a Hall of the Intermediate for further in the quest. I've seen people saying yes to this, and I do think it's needed. I mean we already have a "Hall of Raiding" essentially with Stone, Sky, Sea, so why not? This is an idea I think most who are for/against the jump potion idea are definitely for.
> "concerns about the gil how dare!!!"
300k is the base amount you get for clearing the story. Get on xivdb and look at the gil rewards for the complete MSQ for 2.0. By the end of it if you haven't done side quests or sold stuff on MB that's pretty much the baseline amount of gil you get for completing it.
> "no one will know their class/job!!!"
Okay, and they're overhauling the battle system anyway for Stormblood, no one's going to know their new rotations right out the gate. We're all going to be relearning our classes/jobs, how is that so different? As others have pointed out on the last couple pages I went back, and Yoshi-P said it himself: the HW jobs and the SB jobs will not have jump potions. ASt, DRK, and MCH already start at 30, it's not that much or hard to get to 60 at this point, it won't be that bad to get to 70 in SB either. Whatever new jobs come out in SB won't have them either so everyone will be learning those jobs and not auto-experts at them right after unlock.
And of course, even people who have been playing a while still don't know how to play. So, really? :\ just being rude at this point. More people read their tooltips on what an ability does than those who don't, but ask how to make these things more effective. Don't see how that's the end of Eorzea like people are saying a la Chicken Little, but ok then.
> "CASH SHOP!!!!!!"
Kay. Don't care. Those "whales" gave SB triple their budget and give the EU players their own Data Center and servers. How dare those who have some extra cash give themselves something they want and help the MMO they play! HOW. DARE. Tired of this argument and this term tbh. The rest of my annoyance with cash shop threads will stay out, but that is the biggest thing that applies to jump potions.
> (general whining about helping new players when SB hits)
If you're in the Novice Network with a crown, get out. If you can't be bothered to help out the new players like your title asked you to do when you received it, you don't deserve that title. It's not a status icon for e-peen stroking. If you don't want to help newer players, turn it off. Don't help out. Just complain. That's all you're doing anyway.
> (general comments about how people will leave when jump potions/whatever else is added they don't like)
Bye, Felicia.
> (general salt over "OMG P2W!!!!")
Nothing they're introducing is Pay-to-Win. The most a job jump potion would give in terms of gear in SB is probably un-Antiquated Eso gear. You know, the baseline for completing all of the post-60 raids/dungeons through 3.1. The stuff everyone has been out of for 4 patches now. The Chinese clothing that offers a buff? OHNOES, how dare! Except that you get the same buffs from equipping any of the collector's edition gear, a friendship circles, the Brand-New gear you get from completing the Hall of the Novice... that's not pay to win. There's free gear in game with the same stats. The weathered jewelry they offer now is the same and is a bigger stat boost. You pay gil for them, and they're pretty cheap (like a full set is like 700 gil or something.)
-They aren't selling permanent stat boost potions on the cash shop.
-They aren't selling omg best gear on the shop (the Chinese outfits are ilvl1.)
-They made the same dyes that were currently cash shop only available in game from retainer ventures, and went further by making sellable ones so you didn't have to rely on your retainer to bring them back.
-Furnishings are not p2w.
-Chocobo bardings are not p2w.
And before anyone screams about the Korea/China versions with the bought crafter/gatherer gear: they're ilvl1 for glamour. They are not the lv50/60 gear you can make/buy for each crafting/gathering class at 50/60. They are still not p2w.
I used to play a game called Gunbound back in the day. It's still around, it was a Korean-made game iirc. It's pretty much a Worms! clone. While you could get decent gear through in-game currency from winning matches, it took FOREVER. If you wanted an edge though? You bought your gear and upgrades with real money. Their item shop is here. Seriously, read through the different abilities in the different tabs. The better the sound? Real Money item. Better avatars with better stats than the starters/'I saved up my in-game currency to buy something with nice stats'? Real money item. Those are true p2w. Some glam items with trash stats, some mounts, some dye? Is not p2w. Jump potions, and how they restrict them in the outline that Yoshi gave? Is still not p2w. Maple Story, the mmo that everyone played in middle school, is a p2w mmo. FFXIV is not, and will not be per the devs, a p2w mmo. Stop throwing the term around when it's not actually p2w.
If I've actually out-salted anyone over anything, I'll be amazed.