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Originally Posted by Terribad
This is what I have a problem with.
How exactly does smashing their face against a chocobo's butt help them become good at their job? It doesn't. And before you take me too literally, what does fategriding to 60 do for them? Nothing. You could be spamming a single skill and clear fates, especially in a group. So when they get to sixty or seventy and want to suddenly do what? Raid? LOL Their DPS is in the floor and they have no idea how to work with a team. GL finding a group.
The MSQ and the Job questlines organically increase the difficulty of content and introduce new skills to you incrementally so you have time to efficiently learn how to play. Again, it's NOT ABOUT THE STORY, it's NOT ABOUT THE CUTSCENES. It's about using the MSQ as a vector for learning so that the community isn't TOTAL CRAP.
You say you skipped every cutscene. But you still played every instance. You still did every job quest and learned every skill in order. That's what we're concerned about. Not the dialogue. Quit missing the point.
Main Scenario Restriction Bloodstorm - Very Very Bad idea.
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10-20-2016, 06:48 AMKaitlanKela
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10-20-2016, 06:49 AMWelsper59I'm not really disagreeing with the idea of it being optional, as you pointed out. I'm also not saying I agree. In this game, story is mandatory. In WoW, story is (mostly) optional. In XI, story is mandatory. It works either way. The fact you folks take MSQ being mandatory so offensively is what makes the topic itself intriguing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terribad
And yes, let's put the optional part on the side because that's not the criticism on your half that I engaged with. It's your ignorance on the matter of story being good or bad and the disregard for the fact that your opinions are not shared across the board of the player population. I mean, if my WoW story mention is what you feel as universally regarded as "boring", as you said, then it's kinda weird that so many people do like it.
Many people are, in fact, aware of what Final Fantasy is and what it likely entails before they even play XIV, regardless of MMORPG experience. Encountering story in a Final Fantasy game should go without question. Likewise, having it be a mandatory part of the process. It's Final Fantasy. It doesn't have to be mandatory, which is part of your comments. That's fine and absolutely should be put up for debate. Just don't include ignorant bold statements that don't matter to that topic, like the ones you did, as it hurts your actual opinions value when you do. -
10-20-2016, 06:49 AMBlood-AkiYes, it is really fun just having everything unlocked from the start, No work, no story, just get straight to the point, that is self is indeed crappy design, and i am confident in saying that if the game was caterd to mind sets like yours, this game would have died twice, and very quickly. Who likes stories is subjective. and certainly you thinking it's a "crappy design" is also very subjective. But this game is based on story, Deal with it. or go somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
Like how we have gill sellers because despite the fact gill is really easy to make in this game and it's not even NEEDED for progression, people still buy it, in large quantities because they do not like working for anything, No matter how easy it is, this includes taking some time to go through a story. -
10-20-2016, 06:50 AMrachcouture
As someone with three characters caught up to 3.4:
I don't have a problem with locking a continual story behind more of its predecessor. What I do have a problem with is locking out jobs, landmass and side content when there's no real excuse other than an arbitrarily imposed limitation.
If SQX insists on continuing down this path, the least they could do is significantly condense the tedium or remove it entirely. The amount of pointless back-and-forth questing in 2.0 is absurd; Heavensward was a step forward, but not without its missteps (Dravanian Forelands and Churning Mists, anyone?) -
10-20-2016, 06:50 AMRemusI have burdens right now with people leveling normally... As i said early I find it amusing when people think most people can play their job which is quite funny too be honest to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaitlanKela
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10-20-2016, 06:53 AMNaunetLol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
Yes, it is GREAT fun to be able to play the class I want to play upon creating a character and not have to suffer through weeks and weeks of WASTING xp on a class I do NOT want to play just to access the class I do - and then, as a result, not have enough XP via quests to cap the class I want and be forced to do mindless grinding instead.
But please, point out where I have EVER asked to be ported to end-game immediately. I'll be waiting, because you won't be able to find it. -
10-20-2016, 06:54 AMKaitlanKelaHey, I had to carry two terrible DPS through Xelphatol today. Dungeon was stupid long. But lucky for me, that only happens occasionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remus
Now imagine it happening all the time. Because people "slammed their head against a chocobo's butt" to get to cap and they have no idea how to work most mechanics, their rotation, or what their role is within a group because they've never done an instanced dungeon or trial before.
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10-20-2016, 06:58 AMTerribadOh wow, I'm surprised you can actually string words together and do something other than insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaitlanKela
Before I did dungeons on my tank, I practiced on fate grinding. I also practiced my healing with fate grinding. If someone wants to get better they will. What does reading quests do? Nothing. The job quests didn't get harder and aside from HM of dungeons, the difficulty level of dungeons didn't increase either. The content is faceroll easy, it doesn't help anyone improve.
Again, I know people that read every quests and still are crap. Also who said just because you fate grind means you can't do dungeons? Obviously with the request to make MSQs optional I'm asking for MSQ requirement for the dungeons to be removed to make this a normal MMO. And while I realize this game may be hard for someone of your skill level, it's not. Plenty of MMOs let people grind to max level and guess what? It's not full of bads, this game actually has the most horrible players I've ever seen.
And that's where I stopped reading, because that's all I'm asking for. Is simply for the story to be optional like how it is in every other MMO. Some people like grinding, some people like reading walls of texts and picking up soup for the villagers, some people like crafting. It's a MMO let people play how they want within reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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10-20-2016, 06:58 AMWelsper59Lots of problems with your "fun" argument. Here's an extreme example, but isn't exactly farfetched for some people on these forums with some aspects of the game. If I paid for XIV to simply get the best gear for each job, but hate everything about combat/crafting/gathering and the fact I have to group with others to do it, is a sound argument for me to say that the game has a crappy design? It's un-fun to me to have to do anything at all that this game is centered around to get access to what I find "fun". I'd rather my character simply solve puzzles or be given fun games to play (like Tetris) to get the best gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
The "un-fun" argument terrible and is taken way too literally. There will always be parts of anything fun that someone will find to not be an enjoyable part of the process. -
10-20-2016, 07:03 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHYou could, yes. Good luck getting into groups without cleric stance, protect, swiftcast, etc, but I mean, sure, you could theoretically opt to play a hamstrung version of a class with nothing of the appropriate tools necessary to succeed, but congrats I guess? The point I was making still stands, namely that the jobs are designed to necessitate the appropriate cross class skills from the relevant ARR jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chalbee