Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

An int debuff would be the tits.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

T10 - BRD 590, has done more but never on a clear since we've only had 2 clears since his Zeta. BLM 580. Sub-6m clear.
T11 - DRG beats us both. BLM 565, BRD 555. Just above 6m clear.
T12 - 3 Bennu group, no one attacks Blackfires but SCH, low downtime vs uptime due to clearing immediately after first dodge phase (IE a group where the fight lasts until near the second dodge phase, most individual numbers will be higher) in a 7m clear - BRD 540, BLM 530ish on average, was far different in 4 Bennu groups.
T13 - BRD and BLM both have done 510 with room for more if add phase didn't die so quickly, more average is 500 for both. Sub-11m clear.

BLM numbers are actually lower as our group DPS goes up, either by letting SCH take over certain roles or hitting the milk phases harder so less for BLM. BRD is high because of fast clear times = less Paeon uptime and sometimes good end time, but that's what I judge by. NIN beats us every turn but T13. DRG usually right below BLM, not far off.



Our raid DPS is over 3600 in T10.

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Can you please substantiate these numbers with a screenshot atleast? 590 is hella high imo and to just pull vague numbers out is useless unless you and others can back them up
Some of levis end game players have come to use this as a way of gauging eachother, none of that comes close to what you are saying

I've been temp banned for posting parses before. Check Reddit for "SCHs that stack accuracy" and you'll immediately see my group.

Also if I were you I wouldn't use those leaderboards to gauge each other, personal numbers come from your situation and how much you milk less than skill except for extreme circumstances. I could do 550+ in T13 if I wanted but it wouldn't be because I'm the actual best, it's because I'm getting my group to let me do particular things - kinda the same situation for some of those leaderboards, good players in slow groups.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

kinda the same situation for some of those leaderboards, good players in slow groups.

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^^^ this.

You want to look at relative dps - if one person is doing 650 in t11, and everyone else is <500, are you really a god or did you just get a TON of uptime in the last phase cause your teams' dps is slow?

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Originally Posted by Odowla

^^^ this.

You want to look at relative dps - if one person is doing 650 in t11, and everyone else is <500, are you really a god or did you just get a TON of uptime in the last phase cause your teams' dps is slow?

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Yep, most leaderboard numbers come from inefficient strategies or slow DPS. T12 is a beautiful example:

Good group: SCH kills the one set of Blackfires with one very efficient Bane, 3 Bennus that get burned down HARD to have virtually no AoE, fight ends immediately after first dodge phase so uptime/downtime ratio is very bad.
Bad/slow/inefficient group: BLM kills two sets of Blackfires, 4 Bennus die slowly and get AoE'd down, fight ends at the end of the 4th fountain so the uptime/downtime ratio is dreamy.

BLM in group A is barely worth the raid slot and isn't too impressive, with a great clear time
BLM in group B is a god and everyone worships him because he's so sick nasty dirty. Bad clear time and bad tactics but that's not important!

Oh. That Bard is in your group. Explains it.

I knew he parsed RIDICULOUSLY high - I never knew it was 590 high. I thought it was 550ish, lol. Is there a chance you could break down that particular bards parse? I'd honestly love to see his Bloodletter Procs Per second lmao. Must've been INSANE quad-dotting Sons/Daughters.

Though, I still don't quite get why your Dragoons DPS is still so low. Doesn't he jump to the second/3rd pack of adds and stats multidotting those whilst the first pack are getting killed by the Bard/Blm?

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Oh. That Bard is in your group. Explains it.

I knew he parsed RIDICULOUSLY high - I never knew it was 590 high. I thought it was 550ish, lol. Is there a chance you could break down that particular bards parse? I'd honestly love to see his Bloodletter Procs Per second lmao. Must've been INSANE quad-dotting Sons/Daughters.

Though, I still don't quite get why your Dragoons DPS is still so low. Doesn't he jump to the second/3rd pack of adds and stats multidotting those whilst the first pack are getting killed by the Bard/Blm?

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55 Bloodletters, 358 second duration, so 1 Bloodletter per 6.5s on average. Not sure if that's very high or what.

DRG got trapped once in that T10, probably 15-20 DPS off, not sure TBH. He does CT > Phleb > CT > Phleb on first set, DFDs over and does start DoTing the others.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

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Optimal DPS is splitting, actually - 2 dps on each set, they all die at the same time so the mele don't have to move. We do DRG/BRD and NIN/BLM

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

55 Bloodletters, 358 second duration, so 1 Bloodletter per 6.5s on average. Not sure if that's very high or what.

DRG got trapped once in that T10, probably 15-20 DPS off, not sure TBH. He does CT > Phleb > CT > Phleb on first set, DFDs over and does start DoTing the others.

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That's really fucking high, but I guess it's understandable as he had WB+VB x2 up. An average time per Bloodletter with 670 CRIT is once every 7.35s approximately.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

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You are better off checking Bloodletter procs vs Dot ticks to see if he had an abnormal proc rate. The DRG numbers should definitely be higher especially if you guys are min-maxing the encounter (waiting for pots/cooldowns etc.). I've seen similar numbers without ideal circumstances (gear, latency, 7man).

With the BRD's number's as high as they are, does he sing Paeon at all? Usually multi-dotting effectiveness is somewhat lessened because of Paeon but you run NIN in both t10/t12 and I'm guessing he has priority for goad? DRG possibly Throttling?

For T10 adds he should really be prioritising CT -> CT, only into phleb if the adds last longer full duration (which they don't) otherwise he should really go straight into doomspiking as TP permits.

How are you using LB in T10? From the numbers it doesn't look like you are hitting LB3 with 4 adds up, you could potentially get a faster kill time but BRD/BLM dps will drop due to less uptime on adds.