Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

Far too much non-refundable gil to be spent on marginal returns

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10chr.

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

Far too much non-refundable gil to be spent on marginal returns, in my opinion.

But hey, I've you got the gil to toss around, go for it.

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it has the potential to be useful if your having accuracy issues, but beyond that its vanity gear.

Current gear: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M2FF (I still can't my Allagan Spear or Boots to drop...and I'm having a devil of a time PuGing Levi EX, so that spear is out for now)

Debating whether to buy the Weathered Hose. With my current gear I will have to switch the Allagan Visor for Wyrm's Armet and the Slaying Ring for Striking Ring to keep accuracy for T5 (gives 467). To get to 470+ for T6, I then need to switch the Maiming Bracelets for the Slaying Bracelets (478), or the belts (472; I just haven't bothered to buy the Hero's Belt yet...)

Now that I think about it, that's not a bad trade-off. And next week I can buy the Weathered Feet and switch things up more, going to this gear (assuming I can't get Twin to give me what I want) http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M2FH

Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Ok everyone I finally manage to buy HQi90 drg body here's the stat
29str
34 acc
17+6(melded) deter=7.475str
+33(melded) crit=6.732str which gives a total str of 43.207 compare that to suit of astray mail which gives a total of 44.162 str. So pretty close and it's better than weathered Astram. I'm happy with it so far. So what do u guys think.

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As someone posted a few pages back the only gear worth it crafted fully melded are feet/hands/belt/head because u can cap almost all secondary stats. The materia isnt good enough atm to make it worth bothering with fully melded legs/body because they may be a little upgrade now but wont last, also incur a higher vit loss

Would like to report a Full Thrust miss at 482 accuracy on turn 6. Life sucks when you miss a free crit.

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Originally Posted by Ragnirok

Would like to report a Full Thrust miss at 482 accuracy on turn 6. Life sucks when you miss a free crit.

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Front, Flank or Back? I'm guessing from the front.

u need 490 accuracy for t6 for 100% no miss

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Originally Posted by Empressia

u need 490 accuracy for t6 for 100% no miss

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Yup. Though, once you know the animation patterns, exactly when Raffelsia is about to devour and cleave the tanks, the chances of striking from the front are extremely slim.

I run with 465 and i havent missed yet. So i dont know why you guys are running such high acc. 490? Craziness. You guys attacking from the front or something?

Opps sorry 467*

I miss in T6 with 476 accuracy, change to 480 and no more miss. Didn't have the parser when I miss though. I'll try to parse tonight with 480 accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Ryuhou

I miss in T6 with 476 accuracy, change to 480 and no more miss. Didn't have the parser when I miss though. I'll try to parse tonight with 480 accuracy.

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You're missing from the front when the boss turns.

I run T7 with 480 accuracy, no miss so far (except when the boss turns around to throw fireball on people).

Next accuracy tier seems to be t8, I'll try some different numbers and get back to you guys.

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Originally Posted by Ayvar

Next accuracy tier seems to be t8, I'll try some different numbers and get back to you guys.

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I report no misses at 483 over an hour at t8.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

I run with 465 and i havent missed yet. So i dont know why you guys are running such high acc. 490? Craziness. You guys attacking from the front or something?

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because rafflesia LOVES to SPIN AROUND and u might got urself attacking her face when it turned around back to ur tank, and ofc u didn't want ur DPS to dipped amirite?

Rafflesia's turns are almost all highly predictable. No big deal.

anyone went ahead and whacked a pair of weathered equipment already?

Just got the Wave Spear :D

Now my Armet gets more use again lol

Well so far I got waist gloves boots and body(will change soon), i90 with fully melded. Ill get head when it's up for sale. I'll start working on my weathered stuff. Since I have i90 body fully melded, I think I'll go get legs then accessories. So far I'm running at 483 acc.

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Originally Posted by Empressia

because rafflesia LOVES to SPIN AROUND and u might got urself attacking her face when it turned around back to ur tank, and ofc u didn't want ur DPS to dipped amirite?

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I know when Raf SPINS AROUND, i never have to attack him from the front, only time thats happens in the whole fight is if I have honeyglazed and I attack the Hornet from the front.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

I know when Raf SPINS AROUND, i never have to attack him from the front, only time thats happens in the whole fight is if I have honeyglazed and I attack the Hornet from the front.

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Exactly.

You can be on it's flank and still avoid both devour and the cleave when it turns around. Imagine it's a 180-semi circle around Rafflesia. 0, being the left side of her, anything above 190 degrees is a safe spot. In other words, as long as you're in between the middle-section of Rafflesia and the rear, you will not get devoured or sucked by anything.

EDIT: Anyone on Turn 8, could they confirm rear misses at 490ish accuracy? If so, my speculated accuracy of around 520 doesn't seem to far off for Turn 9.

Just did some Turn 8 tonight with 480 accuracy, noticed very few misses over 3 hours of tries...

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Originally Posted by Ayvar

Next accuracy tier seems to be t8, I'll try some different numbers and get back to you guys.

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Please do.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Exactly.

You can be on it's flank and still avoid both devour and the cleave when it turns around. Imagine it's a 180-semi circle around Rafflesia. 0, being the left side of her, anything above 190 degrees is a safe spot. In other words, as long as you're in between the middle-section of Rafflesia and the rear, you will not get devoured or sucked by anything.

EDIT: Anyone on Turn 8, could they confirm rear misses at 490ish accuracy? If so, my speculated accuracy of around 520 doesn't seem to far off for Turn 9.

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I'm at 99.6% over 3 hours of turn 8 with 483.

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Originally Posted by Ayvar

You're missing from the front when the boss turns.

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Ah really? because I got miss too in 480. Maybe I need to rework my attempt when facing those things.
thank you Ayvar for the reply.

Popping in to ask EMX for updated Monk stat weights

Hum, can you provide a table with the stats for all the new Monk gear?

Edit: Or at least all the i110-115 stuff.

Edit2: It occurs to me that I should post this in the Monk thread.

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Was lucky enough to get the wave harpoon + mirror last night, also purchased the Weathered Astrum Hose.
BFB Full Thrust occasionally crits over 1400 now :) edit: 1441 highest so far.

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

Was lucky enough to get the wave harpoon + mirror last night, also purchased the Weathered Astrum Hose.
BFB Full Thrust occasionally crits over 1400 now :) edit: 1441 highest so far.

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:( Still torn between spending 825 tomes on the pants, but i guess i will have to do it soon!

Pants are objectively the best soldiery investment.

- It's part of the optimized set for multiple accuracy levels (470, 480, and probably 490 iirc) so it's virtually guaranteed to not be a "waste" in the long-run
- It's a left-side upgrade, so you get +Vit on top of the general DPS
- It's a raw DPS upgrade, so it is effective for lower-acc content as well, particularly if you can shuffle around accuracy elsewhere

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Pants are objectively the best soldiery investment.

- It's part of the optimized set for multiple accuracy levels (470, 480, and probably 490 iirc) so it's virtually guaranteed to not be a "waste" in the long-run
- It's a left-side upgrade, so you get +Vit on top of the general DPS
- It's a raw DPS upgrade, so it is effective for lower-acc content as well, particularly if you can shuffle around accuracy elsewhere

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Yes, i saw only one list at page 208, is there a spreadsheet of sorts like the peiste.org in page 1 for reference?
Thank you for your advice as always !

So, what's next best? I'm thinking the feet, for the Acc boost, personally...

The "next best" is pretty variable and based on conflicting priorities.

The safest in terms of "guaranteed to be BiS" is the ring. However, the ring does not give +Vit, which is a consideration.

The chest, gloves, and boots are all reasonable candidates for +Vit and "probably BiS". The issue is that the 480 acc BiS is different than the 470 and swaps pieces between those 3 slots. So if we need 480 or more for T7/8/9, then a "470 purchase" might not be BiS and you could be randomly annoyed later.

The helm and belt are poor candidates because it is unlikely they will be in any BiS set. (Sidenote: checked, helm is good for a no-Acc i110 set, but that's about it).


The last consideration, and the most complicated, is that the loot tables are not fully known for T6-9 yet. If a certain slot does not drop until T9 or maybe T8, then that becomes a more relevant priority for Soldiery Tomes.


So a generally safe strategy would be to pick up the leggings, then stockpile Soldiery until more accuracy and/or loot table information is confirmed.

Then, prioritize either the boots or gloves+chest depending on the acc, and prioritize the "T9 only" slots.

Within that pool, prioritize by left side > right side.

If you cap out Soldiery before the information is confirmed, pick up the ring.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

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The ring is BiS, but in comparison to another upgrade, like the boots, it's not as great as an upgrade. The good thing about the Astrum Boots, is that all accuracies from 480-521, excluding 500, has them as the BiS set. If you do not have the Sabatons of Maiming from T5, then the Astrum Boots are the 2nd best set upgrade. The Astrum Hose on the other hand, despite it being the best item to purchase for set optimisation, it's not in any set requiring 484, 497, 500, 503, 506, 509, 512, 516, 519 accuracies (from 480-521).

There's also the a report of a player missing @ 496~ accuracy from rear in Turn 8. If this is confirmed to be true, the chances of the Astrum Hose in any BiS is 50/50.

But, the High Allagan Legs don't drop until Turn 8, so the Astrum Hose, coupled with the Astrum Boots, is a safe purchase, unless your group is/has been/will be able to clear Turn 8.

Getting gloves is a pointless upgrade as well. Yes, it's a great item due to it's CRT + DET, but as the Dragoon gloves drop from T6, purchasing the Astrum Gauntlets doesn't allow you to efficiently use your soldieries.

Something that is surprising, is that if you have Allagan/Wave spear, Sabatons of Maiming + Bracelets of Maiming, the Astrum Mail chest upgrade is a very, very good upgrade from what I've seen so far with my solver.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Getting gloves is a pointless upgrade as well. Yes, it's a great item due to it's CRT + DET, but as the Dragoon gloves drop from T6, purchasing the Astrum Gauntlets doesn't allow you to efficiently use your soldieries.

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Eh, that's kinda like saying you shouldn't have gotten Myth Chest in 2.1 coz Allagan drops in T1, if they're gonna be the best thing to use, screw it.

Related note: I got gloves coz I wanna hit stuff hard while I'm waiting for my static to progress, dang it! Prolly do legs next.. my static is still on T5 and I have enough alternate i90 gear to make up for accuracy loss while equipping highly weighted i100 gear.

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Originally Posted by JetBrooks

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High Allagan Gauntlets > Weathered Astrum Armguards for set optimisation, that's why. Once your group has actually got the Turn 7 kill, then maybe you can consider getting the Weathered Astrum Armguards, as you can upgrade it to i110. At which point, Astrum Armguards > High Allagan Gauntlets for set optimisation.

You can't really compare 2.0 to 2.2 progression, as the Allagan Cuirass and the Wyrms mail were the same ilvl. Right now in 2.2, High Allagan will always be better than the items we can currently purchase, which is why it is best to prioritise the High Allagan Drops from Turn 6 first.

EDIT: It's different, particularly for you however as your static is still on Turn 5.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

The good thing about the Astrum Boots, is that all accuracies from 480-521, excluding 500, has them as the BiS set.

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And 470. I'd like to see more confirmation of T7-9 before I accept that it's different in scaling from T1-5 (which had none).

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The Astrum Hose on the other hand, despite it being the best item to purchase for set optimisation, it's not in any set requiring 484, 497, 500, 503, 506, 509, 512, 516, 519 accuracies (from 480-521).

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Oh, interesting. I forgot I put a -10% malus against SS's weight because I don't like it and I run out of TP enough as it is. That is apparently enough to shift leggings away from BiS for a number of acc points (I use 470, 481, 493, 504).


Regardless, the crux of this discussion is that the acc requirements are uncertain. The easiest way to determine that will be tank and BLM acc thresholds. Mages have no variance between flanks/rear/front, and tanks have little to no variation, particularly since they're testing the max acc condition.

Hence, the basic recommendation to stockpile for a few weeks until things become clearer.


Anyways, the other component which is a significant factor is your personal expectations of your access to later turns. If you expect access to various slots in a reasonable timeframe, then some people are willing to over-purchase in the near-term even at risk of replacing it with an H-A drop. Shrug.

Fair point, I didn't bring upgrading to i110 into consideration.

I was planning on getting the 100 weapon after the ring. If I feel like I can get the upgrade to i110 item, would the weapon still be the most dps increase per soldery tome?