And in 1.20b we'll have...

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

1. i saw the uldahn cutscene. that makes sense to tame it, not to ride it. because after taming they wouldn't use them for other purposes? In real life they used to tame feral horses and re-purpose them for plenty of issues. It doesn't make sense that people ride horses?
5. and lastly. its not changing my immersion, its common sense, with bunny hopping, people dont do that in the real world. thats not me, thats common knowledge. swimming i dont have as much of a problem with. and i wouldnt have as much of a problem with the mounts but everyone is gonna be on some mount at all times, thats just not believable. its clear that it is a game, but a good RPG game designer does his best to cover that up

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You bring real life situations into this conversation where you stated that "you want to believe this is a different world". Why?

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

yes alot more stupid. the chocobo has been designed to be a creature that you ride on. its a creature that was made to be ridable, and backed up by lore in many FF games. a gobbue and any other monster they want to make as a mount has been designed as a creature you fight. theres a big difference.
and it makes perfect sense that you get weapons made from the glowing horns of a demi god. it would be a different story if that demi god droped a random cool weapon that had nothing to do with him. but because its made from him, it makes sense

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Who's to say they won't back this up with lore?

You people do nothing but complain about what you don't want that they are adding. And on top of that... aren't moogle your friends? Didn't we just get lore added to make us fight a band of moogles and a moogle king?

[SIZE="6"]Lore can change things.[/SIZE]

Give them the chance to change it first.

The dividing line on these mounts falls between those who have been long time fans of the FF series and want to see this game be more 'Final Fantasy', and those who are just fans of MMOs in general, and want to their favorite features from other MMOs brought into this one.

Those of us who are long time FF fans feel that the game needs to get the core concepts right before it should attempt any radical changes to things. And when it does add new things, there needs to be a proper explanation and integration into the world in order to maintain the quality that the series has generally had. Artistic integrity, Good Storylines, and faithfulness to the established mythos of the franchise are very important to us.

Those who are general MMO fans, likely could care less about any of what I just wrote and likely want to be entertained by having large volumes of relatively easy endgame content with high drop-rates of flashy trinkets and e-peen enhancement items.

It's a divide that's nearly impossible to bridge with some people. You can't argue about it because they don't understand (or care) where you are coming from.

The big problem is that I'm starting to worry about which side Yoshi-P is on now. The OTT Ifrit weapon designs where the first warning sign, the crowns and moogle weapons were second, now these ridiculous mounts...

You give away tons of this flashy crap now for nothing and the game has nowhere to grow without the entire player base looking like a Mardi Gras parade. It's extremely short sighted.

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Originally Posted by SnickleWhiskers

You bring real life situations into this conversation where you stated that "you want to believe this is a different world". Why?

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Think about that for a second:

"Believing it's another world" means the world you're experiencing feels like an actual world -- Clearly it would be a different world from our earth in a logical stand point, but the reason people like stories like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and (insert billions of disney stuff) is because even though it's fiction, it's like a 'real world'.

Just a note to those who doesn't like the idea of other mounts it's best to try and get use to it soon. This isn't the last they'll add.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

The dividing line on these mounts falls between those who have been long time fans of the FF series and want to see this game be more 'Final Fantasy', and those who are just fans of MMOs in general, and want to their favorite features from other MMOs brought into this one.

Those of us who are long time FF fans feel that the game needs to get the core concepts right before it should attempt any radical changes to things. And when it does add new things, there needs to be a proper explanation and integration into the world in order to maintain the quality that the series has generally had. Artistic integrity, Good Storylines, and faithfulness to the established mythos of the franchise are very important to us.

Those who are general MMO fans, likely could care less about any of what I just wrote and likely want to be entertained by having large volumes of relatively easy endgame content with high drop-rates of flashy trinkets and e-peen enhancement items.

It's a divide that's nearly impossible to bridge with some people and its futile to argue with them.

The big problem is that I'm starting to worry about which side Yoshi-P is on now. The OTT Ifrit weapon designs where the first warning sign, the crowns and moogle weapons were second, now these ridiculous mounts...

You give away tons of this flashy crap now for nothing and the game has nowhere to grow without the entire player base looking like a Mardi-Gras parade. It's extremely short sighted.

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If only they actually didn't try to make the same mistake they did with XI and number it. This game in general is blasphemous to any true FF fans trying to say it deserves a number.

Not gonna lie I do enjoy my MMOs and that I believe this game could do with some features from others just to make the little annoyances easier. Even the smallest thing such as the numbers make this incapable of being an FF game. At level 50 i should be doing around 2k a regular hit but hey let's not use other FF games to make a point it normally gets overlooked.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

The dividing line on these mounts falls between those who have been long time fans of the FF series and want to see this game be more 'Final Fantasy', and those who are just fans of MMOs in general, and want to their favorite features from other MMOs brought into this one.

Those of us who are long time FF fans feel that the game needs to get the core concepts right before it should attempt any radical changes to things. And when it does add new things, there needs to be a proper explanation and integration into the world in order to maintain the quality that the series has generally had. Artistic integrity, Good Storylines, and faithfulness to the established mythos of the franchise are very important to us.

Those who are general MMO fans, likely could care less about any of what I just wrote and likely want to be entertained by having large volumes of relatively easy endgame content with high drop-rates of flashy trinkets and e-peen enhancement items.

It's a divide that's nearly impossible to bridge with some people and its futile to argue with them.

The big problem is that I'm starting to worry about which side Yoshi-P is on now. The OTT Ifrit weapon designs where the first warning sign, the crowns and moogle weapons were second, now these ridiculous mounts...

You give away tons of this flashy crap now for nothing and the game has nowhere to grow without the entire player base looking like a Mardi-Gras parade. It's extremely short sighted.

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Wait wait wait wait wait... you got to be kdding me. I respect you and all..

But the Ifrit weapons are too flashy? If your a long time fan of Final Fantasy games, you would know that the series has had it's share of flashy and over the top weapons. Look at cloud. I've never played whatever game he's been in but he has that omg humerously huge sword. How is that possible.

And about mounts being ridiculous.... We've fought huge monsters on flying ships that we don't get blown off of and whatnot, but riding on top of a possibly tamed gobbue is so wrong?

And having a crown that rewards you for getting all of a certain class to 50, or having good luck on melding materia is so bad. But looking at the design of the armors in the next patch, or the look of past characters. One that blows me away is the garlean empire's helmets... they look like some crazy darth vader equipment, yet we complain about the crowns.

I think your priorities are wrong if all that effects you that much and your a long Final Fantasy fan.

They asked if we would accept major changes.

We said yes.

Seriously, what's everyone complaining about?

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

If you go down that road far enough, you end up with a WoW clone. In which case, why not play WoW?

I for one, do not attribute WoW's success to their volume of mounts.

WoW was a lowest-common-denominator game. The success of WoW could be easily be likened to the success of 'Two and a Half Men' or 'CSI Miami'.

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Agreed.

In my opinion the only thing (or one of the very, very few things) any new/existing MMO should strive to replicate from WoW is it's snappy, responsive, and robust UI along with the user customization abilities. Everything else I think MMO developers need to focus on their own "thing". In fact, any game developer in general (I think at least) should be focusing on making a "good game" first instead of a "what's the flavor of the week and will sell well" game.

Will FFXIV become a "good" game by virute of adding Gobbue mounts? Doubtful. However who knows - some people liked Sara Palin *shrugs*

Does comparing a well-known icon in the FF series that has often been used as a mode of transportation (aka, chocobos) to that of another maybe not-so-well-known yet present in other (very few?) FF series and has not ever been used as a mode of transportation (aka, Gobbues) seem somewhat... odd? Sure does!

Will having Gobbue mounts make the game "not good" by virtue of itself? Doubtful. But... it's understandable that some players might not be able to help but think that the dev team is just trying to match the "flavor of the week" of other MMOs because "duh... they makes lotz 'o moneyz duh... so we should dooz that too, duh..." instead of:

Hey maybe we should think about giving players some other 'mount' options for those who might like something other than a yellow chocobo. Let's brainstorm and see what we can come up with that would a) fit within the FF lore and b) would be well-received by the player community.

Yeah... I'm seeing the former rather than the latter with Gobbue mounts. Really leaves a "meh!~" flavor for this week. (pun intended!)

Did everyone seem to forget that we'd be able to call these mounts into battle eventually as well?