VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I think it's fine to complain if you don't like them, but I agree it's good to take into account the fact that they're not necessarily handpicked based on what looks good on either Hrothgar or Viera. The legacy unlocks seem to follow some sort of pattern at least, but the Modern Aesthetics are pretty arbitrary.

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What is the pattern?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

What is the pattern?

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For the most part they seem to be working down the list by how they're numbered, while the Modern Aesthetics has more random jumps. There's a version for the female hairstyles floating around somewhere as well but I can't find it right now.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

https://i.imgur.com/4G1c5Ls.png

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Reminder to every hrothed gar here. Two viera styles in 6.3 pvs weve seen are Modern Aesthetics, those being Adventure and Saintly. Now, if they go the launch ew route and give viera 5 MA styles, great. If they go 6.1/2 route, theres only three, and that will be greatly disappointing.

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What disappointment? Where are you getting your list from that only counts Modern Aesthetics styles?

Viera have gotten six new styles with each patch, whether that involves MA or freely available styles. They didn't get five the first time and then less in subsequent updates.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

For the most part they seem to be working down the list by how they're numbered, while the Modern Aesthetics has more random jumps. There's a version for the female hairstyles floating around somewhere as well but I can't find it right now.

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For a while it seemed they were working on the oldest styles available from various sources, plus brand new styles being available alongside other races (hence the unfortunate timing of the 2B hair coming out around the time they started adding hairstyles), but then they seemed to switch to working from the most recent styles backwards.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What disappointment? Where are you getting your list from that only counts Modern Aesthetics styles?

Viera have gotten six new styles with each patch, whether that involves MA or freely available styles. They didn't get five the first time and then less in subsequent updates.

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No no. The three im counting are hairs people have to work for or buy. The 3 styles mviera can use in CC have generally been very disappointing to look at, with 6.2s styles being offensively bad.
Id rather them do Modern Aesthetics over Character Creation first bc most of those styles are hair options people generally like or else have to pay real moneycash for in the online store.

Currently on holidays but I caaaaant wait to see all the hairstyles ^_^

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Originally Posted by Yencat

For the most part they seem to be working down the list by how they're numbered, while the Modern Aesthetics has more random jumps. There's a version for the female hairstyles floating around somewhere as well but I can't find it right now.

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I found the female version and have been ticking off the hairstyles vieras have gotten. It looks to be the ponytail and/or the wavy hairs next, yes. Modern aesthetics Idk, could be any. I am hoping for the plait or styled for hire.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

No no. The three im counting are hairs people have to work for or buy. The 3 styles mviera can use in CC have generally been very disappointing to look at, with 6.2s styles being offensively bad.
Id rather them do Modern Aesthetics over Character Creation first bc most of those styles are hair options people generally like or else have to pay real moneycash for in the online store.

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I think most Modern Aesthetics would look really awful on Hrothgar, with a large proportion of them being cute or feminine hairstyles. All the remaining hairstyles I'm interested in are from CC.
I also disagree that real money hairstyles should get priority since I'd rather not have the only good options we'll ever get this expac be gated behind a paywall.

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Originally Posted by AetherHale

I remember getting the nier hair with no ears. I have waiting the entire shadowbringers for hair. I have already been at the lowest disappointment possible.

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So far, as some might say. :)

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Originally Posted by XiRon

No no. The three im counting are hairs people have to work for or buy. The 3 styles mviera can use in CC have generally been very disappointing to look at, with 6.2s styles being offensively bad.
Id rather them do Modern Aesthetics over Character Creation first bc most of those styles are hair options people generally like or else have to pay real moneycash for in the online store.

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Whether you personally approve of them or not, they still got six new hairstyles, not three.

I think it's also important that new players get immediate access to a range of choices, which requires hairstyles to be openly available in CC, and in the long run it is better for their list to be arranged in the same order as other races. That seems to require releasing them in the order they will permanently sit in, because newer styles aren't sorting to the bottom of the list.

praying for the 5.0 hairstyle, aymeric, and lyon's hairstyles the most

I'm really looking forwards to Styled for Hire and Lyon's hairstyle, that would look so good on hroths! Gyr Abanian Plait would also look great, if we have those 3 I'm set!

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Originally Posted by Starshower

I'm really looking forwards to Styled for Hire and Lyon's hairstyle, that would look so good on hroths! Gyr Abanian Plait would also look great, if we have those 3 I'm set!

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Thanks to em-oh-dees, we can already see how some of the hairstyles may look

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Whether you personally approve of them or not, they still got six new hairstyles, not three.

I think it's also important that new players get immediate access to a range of choices, which requires hairstyles to be openly available in CC, and in the long run it is better for their list to be arranged in the same order as other races. That seems to require releasing them in the order they will permanently sit in, because newer styles aren't sorting to the bottom of the list.

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That seems to be the case. They want to make the stuff you can unlock available for everyone. We did, after all, spent an entire expansion wondering why new stuff doesn't come suited for us. Most egregious example being the Lyon hair, since it comes in content that gives a spotlight to Hrothgars.

What I wonder now though are three things.

1 - Will future hairstyles fit us? Or will we be in a constant catch-up climb?
2 - Will the same apply to headgear? Do we need to clamour more for that?
3 - Will, when all's said and done, newer hairstyles also be made with our frame in mind? Because I feel like the answer to Iscah's "Whether you personally approve of them or not" is tied to the fact that there aren't that many hairstyles that fit Hrothgar heads and faces as well as they would humanoid faces.
And while I'm all up for personal expression, those tend to be niches who work really hard to make it work. I feel like they should also make hairstyles that can fit us. And they don't have to make them unique either, the Lyon hairstyle works fine, so too does Styled for Hire. Just saying, we need more like that than Long Hair With Pigtails #451.

I made a meme about this a while ago:

https://i.imgur.com/7OxbHuM.png

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Originally Posted by Joven

I made a meme about this a while ago:

https://i.imgur.com/7OxbHuM.png

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Boooo!
....ngl I did laughed yet cried too

Someone please let me know tomorrow which other hairstyles we got besides the side pony ^_^ hairs are always my new patch highlight xD

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What disappointment? Where are you getting your list from that only counts Modern Aesthetics styles?

Viera have gotten six new styles with each patch, whether that involves MA or freely available styles. They didn't get five the first time and then less in subsequent updates.

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Not only that but one of the hairstyles in the preview isn't even Modern Aesthetics. It's a base game hairstyle. I get the push to temper expectations but folks need to at least make sure their facts are correct.

http://i.imgur.com/bS5g5Ss.png?1

Catch my surprised Pikachu face when they get 6 (the 6 male Viera got in 6.1), not 2.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Not only that but one of the hairstyles in the preview isn't even Modern Aesthetics. It's a base game hairstyle. I get the push to temper expectations but folks need to at least make sure their facts are correct.

http://i.imgur.com/bS5g5Ss.png?1

Catch my surprised Pikachu face when they get 6 (the 6 male Viera got in 6.1), not 2.

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Honestly I did wonder about that one hairstyle :o I was like "wait, do we have to unlock that one?"

I thought that one was a base one.

Which is great. Because outside of the unlockable ones, there are more that also fit our frame really well ^^ Such as the Jack and Nine hairs from Type-0

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I don't understand why you guys are being so gung-ho about people and assuming we'll get 2 hairstyles.

"Oh you're getting your facts wrong". Okay, and? Honest mistake. People make mistakes. I've made them before as well, and hell, Iscah isn't any saint, they've gotten facts wrong quite often lately. And like...

Can you fucken blame them?

How would YOU guys react after the way Hrothgars kept being treated? You wouldn't have any expectation. You'd see things being advertised and be like "Yeah, no, I got no faith left".

So sorry but... that little "gotcha" moment you're asking for? I think you're being petty just for the sake of going "I told you so".

When really Square should be fostering back the goodwill they've been losing the past few years.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Honestly I did wonder about that one hairstyle :o I was like "wait, do we have to unlock that one?"

I thought that one was a base one.

Which is great. Because outside of the unlockable ones, there are more that also fit our frame really well ^^ Such as the Jack and Nine hairs from Type-0

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I don't understand why you guys are being so gung-ho about people and assuming we'll get 2 hairstyles.

"Oh you're getting your facts wrong". Okay, and? Honest mistake. People make mistakes. I've made them before as well, and hell, Iscah isn't any saint, they've gotten facts wrong quite often lately. And like...

Can you fucken blame them?

How would YOU guys react after the way Hrothgars kept being treated? You wouldn't have any expectation. You'd see things being advertised and be like "Yeah, no, I got no faith left".

So sorry but... that little "gotcha" moment you're asking for? I think you're being petty just for the sake of going "I told you so".

When really Square should be fostering back the goodwill they've been losing the past few years.

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Yeah, people make mistakes. Like me. I misread it and was posting an edit about it. I realize now they were talking about the male Viera hair (Saintly Style), not the Hrothgar hair. I wasn't trying to "gotcha" or "I told you so" anybody - I just feel it's important that we keep the facts straight. Which is why I say that I made a mistake here.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Yeah, people make mistakes. Like me. I misread it and was posting an edit about it. I realize now they were talking about the male Viera hair (Saintly Style), not the Hrothgar hair. I wasn't trying to "gotcha" or "I told you so" anybody - I just feel it's important that we keep the facts straight. Which is why I say that I made a mistake here.

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Alright. In lieu of that, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have jumped to that conclusion so quickly either.

Either way I just want everyone to be able to get better stuff. Like, sure, they're advertising two or three, but secretly adding more. However. There's stuff that's missing and so far haven't been addressed on whether they'll be featured or not. And then there's the lack of headgear ._.;

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

"Oh you're getting your facts wrong". Okay, and? Honest mistake. People make mistakes. I've made them before as well, and hell, Iscah isn't any saint, they've gotten facts wrong quite often lately. And like...

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I won't pretend I'm invulnerable to making mistakes, but I know what you're referring to and that is not a fair remark to make.

You told me off for getting facts wrong, and portrayed it as indicating I was incompetent.

I then replied to you and explained where I got those facts, gave quotes from the game, and you never replied to me. (I can't find the thread in my post history so perhaps something upstream of it got modded and the conversation thread is lost now.)

And now you're going around telling other people that I am "a person who gets facts wrong" based on a misportrayed conversation.

It hardly matters as OF is full of misinformation anyway, take everything with a grain of salt, especially regarding the topic presented here, people will go by hearsay or PR when we got verifiable facts.

Yep, ponytail and wavy hair with bangs being added for female viera, and styled for hire. Don't ask me how I know but it is like christmas all over again for me as those are my favourite hairstyles. Also Alphinauds and Alisaes for both vieras and hrothgars.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Yep, ponytail and wavy hair with bangs being added for female viera, and styled for hire. Don't ask me how I know but it is like christmas all over again for me as those are my favourite hairstyles. Also Alphinauds and Alisaes for both vieras and hrothgars.

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This means hrothgar will get styled in 6.5 and no windcaller until sometime in 7.0x era.

Glad to learn the twins braids are flipfloppable and not genderlocked

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Originally Posted by XiRon

This means hrothgar will get styled in 6.5 and no windcaller until sometime in 7.0x era.

Glad to learn the twins braids are flipfloppable and not genderlocked

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Hroths get 7 hairstyles, styled for hire is one of them. No windcaller though.... :( it would look so good. Idk how to add pics. I can try...

https://i.imgur.com/If36AKx.png
https://i.imgur.com/pDNGVhL.png
https://i.imgur.com/JxikmgZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/nyyKvbt.png
https://i.imgur.com/c3DeXHS.png
https://i.imgur.com/1JZWww1.png
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Did those just get leaked? :O

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Did those just get leaked? :O

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It is what it is. Patch will be up soon :)

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

It is what it is. Patch will be up soon :)

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Ooooo, I can finally change hair \o/ I had this hair since EW lol

The Jesus hairstyle looks better on Hrothgar than I would have imagined.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

I think most Modern Aesthetics would look really awful on Hrothgar, with a large proportion of them being cute or feminine hairstyles. All the remaining hairstyles I'm interested in are from CC.
I also disagree that real money hairstyles should get priority since I'd rather not have the only good options we'll ever get this expac be gated behind a paywall.

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That's an understandable sentiment, but on the other end you have people who buy outfits from the Store, spend tangible extra money, and now find that part of their purchase was for nothing because they can't even use it.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

The Jesus hairstyle looks better on Hrothgar than I would have imagined.

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It...actually does. This is surprising. Now I'm tempted to go back to Hrothgar. lol

As I thought, it does work quite well on Hrothgar

https://i.imgur.com/VDJMsEA.png

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Names for these?

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Styled for Hire, Saintly Style, Adventure, and Sharlayan Studies.

I guess there's an Alisaie outfit coming as well?

We didn’t get the long curly one without the fringe?

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

We didn’t get the long curly one without the fringe?

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We didn't, that surprised me as well.

Kinda sucks if it's gonna 'take up a spot' next patch just to get the no fringe version :confused:

Well, looks like I'm gonna have to brush up on my PvP. Styled for Hire looks gorgeous. Also, I prefer not to wear unique NPC hairstyles, but the twins' hair is the closest thing to the fluffy short style that I'm looking for.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

It hardly matters as OF is full of misinformation anyway, take everything with a grain of salt, especially regarding the topic presented here, people will go by hearsay or PR when we got verifiable facts.

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Even if this forum is full of incorrect facts and hearsay people are EXTREMELY emotional when it comes to this topic and I think everybody should try to make sure what they're saying is accurate. There's enough high stress over it to begin with. Because yes, Hrothgar did get the 6 aforementioned 6.1 Viera styles plus brand new ones. So all of this anxiety over only getting the 2 in the preview and warning others to temper their expectations can now be replaced with a bit more faith for the next time we go through a major patch.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

We didn’t get the long curly one without the fringe?

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I guess they didn't want to add 2 versions of the same hairstyle. This one undoubtedly looks better anyway, but yeah, a shame it will have to take up a slot in next batch.

I see Hroth and Viera also did not get a model for the new Deep Dungeon style yet, but that content is not launching until 6.35 so I'm confident we will see it when it comes out.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I think it's another one of the base male hairstyles yeah.

It actually looks better on Hroth than most other male races I've seen because it has a very normal forehead. :D

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For real, it's perfect on Hrothgar, didn't expect it to fit so well.