Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

Queued for mentor roulette on WAR and got Garuda Extreme. I was the only mentor in the party, a few people said they did the fight a long time ago, we had the new player bonus. The DRK asked me to MT and I said sure.

We got to the adds, then wiped because Chirada wasn't pulled far south enough. Re-buffed the party, offered tips and reminders, and jumped back in. Second attempt we got VERY far, but due to Spiny Plume's unfortunate early demise near the end of the fight (second Spiny, with Chirada + Suparna again) we wiped again.

The SCH and I reminded folks not to dps Spiny and avoid AOE when it was out. And I let folks know they were doing really well. (Esp compared to some Garuda EX parties if been in, sadly.)

Third time was the charm, and everything went very well. A couple of deaths in final phase but we recovered, our one melee did LB3, and four people got their first Garuda Extreme clear. Go team! It's always nice to get a cooperative, pleasant group that listens, learns from mistakes, and gets their win.

Queued for trial last night and got someone's first Final Steps of Faith, twenty minutes in. Uh-oh, I think. But from the moment the PLD did his ready check, we had a fairly stable run - a couple of deaths, to be sure - yet managed a clear with no wipe worthy issues.

Last night's mentor roulette was Garuda normal (plot) on my WHM which was hilarious after the other day. I had a PLD who forgot to turn on sword oath, a melee dps with all the hate, and a BRD who turned on Mage's ballad the second the barrier dropped. We wiped very quickly because of no tank stance. PLD turned on Shield Oath, I asked BRD not to play MB, and it was smooth sailing from there.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

Queued for mentor roulette on WAR and got Garuda Extreme.

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Honestly this was explanation enough. I just wish all parties went as smoothly in there. :/

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Originally Posted by Awful

when people overstun due to DR and you cannot stun the ability that needs to be stunned which is why I said you're not grasping what I was trying to say which many people have told you.

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1st, nowhere have I ever seen someone say that Leg Sweep should be part of a DRG rotation. If you find a guide that says otherwise I'd like to see it.

2nd, referring to your quoted snip - I believe you are misunderstanding me. Because stuns should be saved for bosses and mobs that need to be interrupted, if everyone in the group knows that and has it ready for the mob that needs it, but nobody pipes up with a stun order, who is supposed to use theirs 1st? The point is that if you don't set a stun order then there is nobody to blame, because you run the risk of DR when everyone uses it at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

Honestly this was explanation enough. I just wish all parties went as smoothly in there. :/

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Where I find they really struggle is Shiva and Ramuh EX. I've yet to be in a group that was able to clear, and had a few Shiva groups even run out the timer. :(

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

1st, nowhere have I ever seen someone say that Leg Sweep should be part of a DRG rotation. If you find a guide that says otherwise I'd like to see it.

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...the main DRG guide on these forums, for one?

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

1st, nowhere have I ever seen someone say that Leg Sweep should be part of a DRG rotation. If you find a guide that says otherwise I'd like to see it.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-DPS-Paradigm

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

2nd, referring to your quoted snip - I believe you are misunderstanding me. Because stuns should be saved for bosses and mobs that need to be interrupted, if everyone in the group knows that and has it ready for the mob that needs it, but nobody pipes up with a stun order, who is supposed to use theirs 1st? The point is that if you don't set a stun order then there is nobody to blame, because you run the risk of DR when everyone uses it at the same time.

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If it does damage and it's off the global cooldown, dps are going to use it. Only certain enemies need to be stunned. Not everyone knows what those enemies are. And not everyone is a dungeon junkie who runs content over and over again on every job and can tell you which specific mobs need to be stunned and which action or cast indicates the stun is required. Most people would need to be told to hold the stun.

And it goes both ways. Not all tanks know what to hold stuns for either.

I was in an Aurum Vale with a tank who was using his stuns to damage, and Coincounter got stun resistant, so sadly my attempt to NIN- stun the Swing ended in death.

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

1st, nowhere have I ever seen someone say that Leg Sweep should be part of a DRG rotation. If you find a guide that says otherwise I'd like to see it.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Basic Opener for Beginner Dragoons

This is a basic opening rotation for new level 60 Dragoons who want a feel of how the Opener and the Rotation works. The GK management in this opening oCD rotation has been set up for much easier play for players to understand the GCD, BotD and GK relationships.

H -> [BL+BFB] -> ID -> [DRAC-POT] -> DI -> [IR + BOTD] -> CT -> [PS+ LEGS] -> 4TH -> [GK] -> P -> [JUMP] -> TT -> [DFD] -> VP -> [LIFES] -> FT -> [SPD] -> 4TH -> Repeat

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A snippet out of the first guide a google search gave me.

It says to use Leg sweep right in the opener.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

...the main DRG guide on these forums, for one?

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Bah, double Ninja'd while making a nice pretty quote...

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

Where I find they really struggle is Shiva and Ramuh EX. I've yet to be in a group that was able to clear, and had a few Shiva groups even run out the timer. :(

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I've cleared everything in mentor roulette except Ramuh Ex and Moogle Ex. It would be nice if they made it a requirement to have more mentors in the ex primals than just one. I've been in them a few times where I was the only mentor and everyone else is running around like crazy. Not fun.

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Originally Posted by Louvain

I've cleared everything in mentor roulette except Ramuh Ex and Moogle Ex. It would be nice if they made it a requirement to have more mentors in the ex primals than just one. I've been in them a few times where I was the only mentor and everyone else is running around like crazy. Not fun.

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Oh man, for one Shiva I came in progress on dps. It was a sad few people twenty or so min in progress. Ended up leaving and coming back on tank. Another mentor left and came back on heals. Party filled up with mentors and FC mates of mentors. Still couldn't clear...

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

1st, nowhere have I ever seen someone say that Leg Sweep should be part of a DRG rotation. If you find a guide that says otherwise I'd like to see it.


2nd, referring to your quoted snip - I believe you are misunderstanding me. Because stuns should be saved for bosses and mobs that need to be interrupted, if everyone in the group knows that and has it ready for the mob that needs it, but nobody pipes up with a stun order, who is supposed to use theirs 1st? The point is that if you don't set a stun order then there is nobody to blame, because you run the risk of DR when everyone uses it at the same time.

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H -> [BL+BFB] -> ID -> [DRAC-POT] -> DI -> [IR + BOTD] -> CT -> [PS+ LEGS] -> 4TH -> [GK] -> P -> [JUMP] -> TT -> [DFD] -> VP -> [LIFES] -> FT -> [SPD] -> 4TH -> Repeat

Guide: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-DPS-Paradigm


I get what you are saying about the whole DR issue with everyone using it and in a PUG it's pretty impossible for people to co-ordinate it honestly depends on the fight some can be stunned some can't like Aurum Vale is probably one of the first times when saving your stun for Glower, 1000 Tonz Swing that can kill everyone but most of the time people just blow through the boss and stun anyways. The point I was trying to make is that by not using your stuns you're losing quite a bit of DPS by not using stun based attacks Leg Sweep 130 potency + with Heavy Thrust and Disembowel, Steel Peak 140 potency + Dragon Kick + Greased Lightning, Juggulate 80 potency + Dancing Edge + Poisons.

It just really bugged me that you said you can't use it in a rotation yet there's a rotation with Leg Sweep in it I got your last point with saving a stun for certain attacks, I get that. My point was with PUGs and not being able to co-ordinate a stun rotation because people don't want anything that involves extending their roulettes, and the issue with using stuns in your rotation. You lose ALOT of DPS by not using Leg Sweep in your rotation so you might want to reconsider using it even if you do stun a mob it's still worth it as a DPS there's no instant death mechanics in 60, expert roulette, 50 etc only in raids and extremes so even if you do mess up and get hit you won't die (Except for Aurum Vale as I noted up top). You might want to read up on the Dragoon guide and have a better understanding of Leg Sweep as well as Monks Steel Peak and Nins Juggulate they're all OGCD and DPS increase if you say they aren't i'll prove you wrong since 0 DPS by not using them isn't more DPS then if you use them.