Seriously 3-5 minute repop on NMs?

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Story and all side quests for jobs/crafts done. Egg hunt, done. Help LS mates level their 3rd and 4th battle job to 50? Doesn't that require me leveling more? lol.

Just saying theres nothing to do besides level your jobs and play with your nuts, while you watch gil fall into your retainer.

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If you've done all that content and have multiple classes at 50, it may be time to take a break. You're clearly burning through content faster than they can make it so take a few months off and come back. Or don't. If you really don't enjoy playing the game that much anymore the next logical step would be to find a game you do enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

If you've done all that content and have multiple classes at 50, it may be time to take a break. You're clearly burning through content faster than they can make it so take a few months off and come back. Or don't. If you really don't enjoy playing the game that much anymore the next logical step would be to find a game you do enjoy.

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I think the underlying issues he's addressing, and one I completely agree with, is that there is no end game content, and there was none waiting for us when we did hit 50. I've never, ever played any other MMO where, I reach the level cap, and the next option for my playing of the game was to level another class/job/whatever.

And to be honest, it's hard not to "burn through content faster than they can make it" when there has been no substantial content in-game yet. And that's an issue for me, and many other gamers. It's like if you had bought Final Fantasy II (IV) for SNES, only to have to stop after Cecil became a paladin and wait a year for them to finish putting the rest of the game together.

But you buy an MMO knowing that it is an ever expanding game. You know that it starts out with the least amount of content and honestly at its worst. That's generally not an acceptable model for a console game.

I don't think anyone at this point would really argue that there isn't a lot of end-game content. That's been an established issue since launch. However the team is currently coding a major rehaul of the entire combat system, if they didn't have to do this maybe we'd have some more end-game content by now. But what's done is done, we can only go forward from here. Once the combat rehaul is over they'll have much more time and resources available to develop content.

Yes, all there really is to do right now is rank and collect gear. That's not an unknown issue, anyone who plays the game right now plays knowing this. If you don't like it then take a break and come back later or move on to another game. That would be the next logical step honestly.

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Originally Posted by Belial

I think the underlying issues he's addressing, and one I completely agree with, is that there is no end game content, and there was none waiting for us when we did hit 50. I've never, ever played any other MMO where, I reach the level cap, and the next option for my playing of the game was to level another class/job/whatever.

And to be honest, it's hard not to "burn through content faster than they can make it" when there has been no substantial content in-game yet. And that's an issue for me, and many other gamers. It's like if you had bought Final Fantasy II (IV) for SNES, only to have to stop after Cecil became a paladin and wait a year for them to finish putting the rest of the game together.

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It doesn't make sense to make endgame just yet for a game that's still having foundationwork done to the core programing. It also doesn't make sense to add it when the game is still essentially in testing and free to play.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

But you buy an MMO knowing that it is an ever expanding game. You know that it starts out with the least amount of content and honestly at its worst. That's generally not an acceptable model for a console game.

I don't think anyone at this point would really argue that there isn't a lot of end-game content. That's been an established issue since launch. However the team is currently coding a major rehaul of the entire combat system, if they didn't have to do this maybe we'd have some more end-game content by now. But what's done is done, we can only go forward from here. Once the combat rehaul is over they'll have much more time and resources available to develop content.

Yes, all there really is to do right now is rank and collect gear. That's not an unknown issue, anyone who plays the game right now plays knowing this. If you don't like it then take a break and come back later or move on to another game. That would be the next logical step honestly.

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Yes, however again, I wasn't disputing, only elaborating on a vague statement you replied to & you commenting on how he was burning through content..... but... there is no content... that's the thing.. Fact is, even though MMOs start out clunky and with needed improvements, no other MMO have I played where I got my character to the final level, only to have more levelling as my -only- option. Every other MMO comes with end-game content already established in the game. Hell, they all have low AND mid level content. We had none... zip... nadda.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

It doesn't make sense to make endgame just yet for a game that's still having foundationwork done to the core programing. It also doesn't make sense to add it when the game is still essentially in testing and free to play.

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Nowhere did I state they should be adding content prior to the system being over-hauled. I simply explained what Scarface said in a better way. And as much as it doesn't make sense to add end-game content now, it makes even less sense to release an MMO with absolutely no low/mid/end-game content.

lol, yoshi may fail also.

i dont think they will have it ready for ps3 launch which may be 2012-2013 lol. there trying too hard to please everyone they should fix the broken and do what they do. they need to go hardcore or casual inbetween aint happening.

well square's been making bad games for the last few years and its carrying over to this one the seem to frogot how to design.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Nowhere did I state they should be adding content prior to the system being over-hauled. I simply explained what Scarface said in a better way. And as much as it doesn't make sense to add end-game content now, it makes even less sense to release an MMO with absolutely no low/mid/end-game content.

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You implied that it should have been waiting for you at lv 50.

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I think the underlying issues he's addressing, and one I completely agree with, is that there is no end game content, and there was none waiting for us when we did hit 50. I've never, ever played any other MMO where, I reach the level cap, and the next option for my playing of the game was to level another class/job/whatever.

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If the game wouldn't have flopped upon launch we would have endgame atm, or at the very least the level cap would have been raised by this point. So technically it can't be judged against other MMO's b/c it's still in a testing phase.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

You implied that it should have been waiting for you at lv 50.

If the game wouldn't have flopped upon launch we would have endgame atm, or at the very least the level cap would have been raised by this point. So technically it can't be judged against other MMO's b/c it's still in a testing phase.

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Yes, it should have been waiting at rank 50, it should have been waiting at ranks 10, 20, 30 & 40 as well. I don't see how "should have had content at release" is anything like "should add content before system changes."

And again, you're coming back to the game failing at launch, which has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying. There should be stuff for people of all ranks to do, UPON release. Not AFTER release.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Yes, it should have been waiting at rank 50, it should have been waiting at ranks 10, 20, 30 & 40 as well. I don't see how "should have had content at release" is anything like "should add content before system changes."

And again, you're coming back to the game failing at launch, which has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying. There should be stuff for people of all ranks to do, UPON release. Not AFTER release.

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Failing upon launch has everything to do with the lack of endgame content. The game was rushed, and the intended plan was the same as XI. Endgame and the such was to come later after a level cap increase, or after sufficient time had passed. The reason players are stuck twiddling their thumbs was because of the initial rushed release date + the major overhauls that are being done now because of the flop.