Has anyone quit healing?

If you don't play scholar much then sure you might not ever use Dissipation, and might forget it's there. But when there is an opportunity to make great use of it, I think it's one of the great high points of points where scholar shines and excels--in it's functionality and the experience of being a scholar. I think it would be a terrible loss if it were to go

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Originally Posted by Lethros

If you don't play scholar much then sure you might not ever use Dissipation, and might forget it's there. But when there is an opportunity to make great use of it, I think it's one of the great high points of points where scholar shines and excels--in it's functionality and the experience of being a scholar. I think it would be a terrible loss if it were to go

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Have to disagree with you here. A capstone ability that literally removes the core aspect of the job is a terrible ability.

I don't main Healer anymore but I still end up playing it for a quick EX roulette queue.
At this point, I play it more then my main, DNC. :B

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Have to disagree with you here. A capstone ability that literally removes the core aspect of the job is a terrible ability.

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Dissipation is not a terrible ability. Not by any measure. If you don't find yourself constantly using it in anything from dungeons to ultimate then you aren't doing it right.
It's a great optimization tool with a decent amount of opportunities for good use. It would be a travesty to dumb the class down even more by removing one of the few skills we have left that require us to think.

Now you can debate all you want about whether or not it's "good enough" for a Lvl 60 cap skill. That's your prerogative and I have no opinion on that matter, but the skill itself is good and should be used on or close to cooldown.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Now you can debate all you want about whether or not it's "good enough" for a Lvl 60 cap skill. That's your prerogative and I have no opinion on that matter, but the skill itself is good and should be used on or close to cooldown.

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The mark of a good healer in FFXIV is literally healing as little as possible and Dissipate does nothing to help that. IF anything it makes you heal more or make your partner heal more.

So either your being selfish for your own personal DPS and making your co-healer heal more, or you're playing sub-optimally by losing your free healing.

But seriously, please enlighten me when a good time to Dissipate is because I don't see it. The fairy CD's are spaced in a way that they can be rotated through. Using Dissipate locks you out of using Fey Union and Seraph for 30 seconds. Is 450 potency via 3 Energy Drains really worth losing all of that utility? Because if you're in a situation where you need the 3 extra Aetherflow for healing, you screwed up or your tanks did.

The simple fact is that Dissipate conflicts with everything the Scholar is about. But to make matters worse, in 90% of content it's just simply not needed.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The mark of a good healer in FFXIV is literally healing as little as possible and Dissipate does nothing to help that. IF anything it makes you heal more or make your partner heal more.

So either your being selfish for your own personal DPS and making your co-healer heal more, or you're playing sub-optimally by losing your free healing.

But seriously, please enlighten me when a good time to Dissipate is because I don't see it. The fairy CD's are spaced in a way that they can be rotated through. Using Dissipate locks you out of using Fey Union and Seraph for 30 seconds. Is 450 potency via 3 Energy Drains really worth losing all of that utility? Because if you're in a situation where you need the 3 extra Aetherflow for healing, you screwed up or your tanks did.

The simple fact is that Dissipate conflicts with everything the Scholar is about.

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I dunno man. I use it on CD and my co-healer never complains about my lack of healing, in fact you can look me up on the site that will not be named, (Evelynn Outreguerlain on Diabolos)9/10 times I've healed more than my co-healer and still out DPSed the tanks. Thats not bragging. Dissipation isn't a bad skill to use, mostly because A) your cohealer has a ton of free healing they can use too, especially if you're paired with AST. B) Your main free heal you should be using first 9/10 times is recitation + indom/excog. It is better than any fairy heal, and costs just as much to use, namely nothing. C) fairy doesn't heal for shit and it comes back automatically when time is up now. Honestly, there isn't a huge difference between when I have the fairy out and when I don't. Embrace does almost nothing, the delays make the fairy unreliable, and outside of whispering dawn and maybe seraph, none of the heals the fairy has leave a major impact. For all intents and purposes, dissipation is just a second aetherflow button.

Is it useful for the wrong reasons? Sure, I wish not having the fairy out actually impacted me more than just missing out on 3 extra energy drains, but, it is useful, and something that should be used as often as you can. The only fight I don't use it on CD is TEA.

That's not to say I enjoy SCH this expac, I think it's garbage and SE ruined it, but the change to dissipation makes it a much better skill this go around.

I love Dissipation and the more comfortable you get with SCH the more that particular skill gets used. Both Dissipation and Deployment require thought and I love those components of Scholar. The fact that Seraph, Dissipation, Fey Union and to a minor extent Fey Blessing all conflict with each other is refreshing to me. AST and WHM have so many heals that stack and overlap for massive burst healing that it's like being at an endless buffet with no appetite every time damage goes out. You don't need all those options most of the time and it can be tough to decide just what you want to use. SCH has limited choices and it forces you to consider when each tool is optimal. It's the same reason I like that Adlo and Succor have prohibitive MP cost too. SCH is still capable of incredible burst healing if you plan for it but it's really satisfying to pull a Tank through a wall to wall pull or heal both stack markers in Memoria Extreme when a cohealer dies because you know your tool kit well. Plus, Seraph is out every two minutes. Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination are 60 seconds and 2 minutes respectively. I always have time to Dismiss my fairy between those cool downs for maximum benefit. I don't get locked out of any of my other skills by using Dissipation. I get more aetherflow stacks and increased healing while I'm WAITING for those skills to come off cool down instead. It can be a panick button sure, but it's not really meant for that or even all that effective as such. Scholar is my favorite healer because the healing aspect is more fun trying to get the best synergy out of all the skills and I guarantee if you try to use it more effectively you'll enjoy Dissipation a lot too. It was mind-blowing when I realized that heavy Raid Wide Damage is better suited to Dissipation. Whispering Dawn isn't going to give you a burst heal and Fey Illumination only mildly reduce damage and increases spell based healing which tells me I should use Fey Illumination long before damage goes out and eat my fairy for the strongest shields I can manage next under the healing buff from both skills. Dissipation allows for stronger shielding and it's a very beautiful thing to take under your control. If you need to do a heal check Dissipation is the next step after you blow your fairy cool downs because Embrace is not saving anyone in this expansion.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

But seriously, please enlighten me when a good time to Dissipate is because I don't see it.

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1) Right before a boss/pull is about to die and Aetherflow isn't going to be off cooldown immediately.
2) In the opener on any boss. SE almost always opens with a Raidwide AoE and Tank Buster in some order for the first minute before getting to real mechanics.
3) Any time a boss jumps away/goes immune for a phase transition.
4) Any time you're AoEing a single mob pull (tanks will NOT take enough damage to warrant keeping the fairy around the entire time).
5) Any time you're died right after using Aetherflow/Lucid and need to recover MP or to spot-heal asap after resummoning your fairy.
6) Any time your co-healer isn't taking your kit into account and spamming Aetherflow actions alongside them would be overhealing.
7) Any time you only need to use Excogitation + any other aetherflow healing ability or less for a single aetherflow cycle and can double-weave Energy Drains alongside Fairy cooldowns to cover what you need before you use Dissipation.

There are plenty of use cases for Dissipation. You need to look for them, but there are more of them than you realize.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The mark of a good healer in FFXIV is literally healing as little as possible and Dissipate does nothing to help that. IF anything it makes you heal more or make your partner heal more.

So either your being selfish for your own personal DPS and making your co-healer heal more, or you're playing sub-optimally by losing your free healing.

But seriously, please enlighten me when a good time to Dissipate is because I don't see it. The fairy CD's are spaced in a way that they can be rotated through. Using Dissipate locks you out of using Fey Union and Seraph for 30 seconds. Is 450 potency via 3 Energy Drains really worth losing all of that utility? Because if you're in a situation where you need the 3 extra Aetherflow for healing, you screwed up or your tanks did.

The simple fact is that Dissipate conflicts with everything the Scholar is about. But to make matters worse, in 90% of content it's just simply not needed.

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There are many cases that have been mentioned here. The core of it is this:

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Plus, Seraph is out every two minutes. Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination are 60 seconds and 2 minutes respectively. I always have time to Dismiss my fairy between those cool downs for maximum benefit.

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To which you can add all and any 30s period where your fairy healing isn't required. Many reasons why you wouldn't need your fairy from boss downtime to your co-healer having a weave window they can use to cover the healing. In dungeons it would typically be at the end of the first pull (in wall to wall scenarios) where your dissipate will give you stacks and your 30s are spent following your tank shepherding the second pull of mobs (ie no healing required).
All the cases posted here follow this core concept and it's not even a thorough representation.

Dissipation is a useful recovery tool in progression raiding, but outside of that environment it's just 3 extra Energy Drains.
Embrace doesn't really do anything these days, and Rouse is gone, so you're not really limited by when you can dissipate unless Seraph timings line up with 3 minute buffs. Realistically you should be able to shuffle cooldowns around to avoid that, however.
It's mostly frustrating that consuming Aetherflow during Dissipation doesn't build Fey Gauge. It makes Fey Union feel equally underwhelming this expansion since you're so rarely able to use it.

I have such mixed feelings about Dissipation. It's very underwhelming under most circumstances, but if you happen to die at an inopportune moment (and get raised), it's one of the only ways you can recover. Equally, it can save runs in which your cohealer dies.