The arrogance of some people

So we go from healers needing to DPS to tanks needing to learn how to CD. legit.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So we go from healers needing to DPS to tanks needing to learn how to CD. legit.

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I'm not sure how to read this.

If you mean Healers who want to focus on DPSing are telling the tanks to git gud, no. Did you read the thread? It's actually about expecting healers to DPS in their DOWNTIME. Their first priority is to keep the tank up. Nobody was debating this. Ever. However besides the point it may be though, expecting a tank to use their CDs IS reasonable. It makes sense to expect ANY role/job to use their whole given toolkit appropriately. Which is what I've been saying this whole thread.

If you're saying it's hypocrtical for a healer to refuse to use all the tools at their disposal while simultaneously expecting the tank to use all the tools at their disposal, then, yes, I agree.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So we go from healers needing to DPS to tanks needing to learn how to CD. legit.

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Who are you, exactly? Have you contributed anything to this thread or do you just like to go around throwing holier-than-thou comments on every thread you visit? Sorry we can't keep you entertained.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

healers needing to DPS

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Yes

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

tanks needing to learn how to CD

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Yes

I'll get the next one for you...

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

DPS need to learn how to dodge AoE

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Out of curiosity, do you commonly go around spamming true comments in a sarcastic manner? I'm going to give it a shot.

So we go from the world being round, to the planet revolving around the sun? Seems legit.

Hmm, not as satisfying as I had hoped.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Yes


Yes

I'll get the next one for you...


Out of curiosity, do you commonly go around spamming true comments in a sarcastic manner? I'm going to give it a shot.

So we go from the world being round, to the planet revolving around the sun? Seems legit.

Hmm, not as satisfying as I had hoped.

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Dying...
10 char

Okay, the more I think about it, the more I think the only heal mentality is wrong.

Seriously, the Healer is going to spam heals and babysit the tank so the tank never has to use cooldowns or try either? It's like that playstyle deliberately saps all the fun out of the game for half the party.

/sigh I'm out.

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

Okay, the more I think about it, the more I think the only heal mentality is wrong.

Seriously, the Healer is going to spam heals and babysit the tank so the tank never has to use cooldowns or try either? It's like that playstyle deliberately saps all the fun out of the game for half the party.

/sigh I'm out.

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Yeah that's why I don't agree with the "if you're gonna heal spam me, I'm gonna play sub-par as well". You're not really winning, you're more thank likely proving your healer right.

@oddet

I can't quote on phone. It's a matter of picking your battles, I'm not gonna call out on the healer for only healing or spam healing, but I will bring it up if Dps is balantly slacking or his overheating is ripping aggro. Again in my circumstances, the defensive cooldowns itself isn't being utilized by the healer at if he's going to keep overhealing, I'm not mass pulling because the Dps can't or won't keep up, so I might as well use vengeance and raw to burst Dps and get the stuff dead faster. Also you don't need blood bath for triples, and you still have foresight, second wind and defiance equallibrium. The healer can't really heal me more frequently than he already is by using cute on every gcd

Editiiiiiiiiiing

On phone too

I didnt list Equillibrium and Convslescence because I said preemptive mitigation skills.

Whenever I see healers spamming me Ill tell them that its ok to let me fall below 50%. If all they do is heal spam me every time I fall under 100% still, then yeah, you\'re right, you cant really do much about that. I always pair up bloodbath with berserk just for the great self healing it gives, but if youre already constantly being topped off, that doesnt matter much either way.

With a SCH , Ill usually start a mass pull with Vengeance, build up 4 Wrath stacks, berserk+BB+IR, Deliverance, Decimate, Infuriate, Decimate. I feel like foregoing a triple decimate sometimes and using my Vengeance defensively at the start of a pull will give my healer more time to DPS, and then I can get my hp back with my BB Zerk burst rotation, but I guess that depends on group DPS as well and if you kill everything before you\'re squishy.