A serious discussion about abridging the story quest 1-50 (discouraging new players)

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Originally Posted by ThanMazus

THE HORROR. How would you live in such a world where people could gather or craft starting at level 1? How could you survive in a land where someone made it all the way to 60 without questing? Actually, this is actually doable via fate/leve grinding so...?

Also this second part already happens too so...???

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Well, I don't make this game :) If you buy a Final Fantasy game, especially their flagship title (not some Chocobo Dungeons side game), it has its own set of rules. You either accept it as it is, or you don't play it because it is pointless. A waste of your time and money. In this day and age, where information can be accessed with simple clicks via your phone, you could get a reading if this game suits your play style or not. I know EOS is not my game, after reading reviews and talking to friend who play it and see it firsthand via "Share Play" on PS4.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

NO, they wouldn't. You'd still need to hit 50 in order to access level 50+ areas.

Contrary to what you seem to think, making the story optional doesn't mean there can't be an Elezen standing at the gate to Ishgard who says, "Oh, I'm sorry, I can't let you in yet!"

They've level-gated content in pretty much EVERY themepark MMO to date without needing to make the story mandatory.

And saying this is to circumvent RMT is a piss-poor excuse when RMT runs goddamn rampant through this game anyway.

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Make up your mind then. Trimming fat in 2.1-2.55 is one type of request, most people agree that some of those could be made optional so if you bought 3.0, you can get there faster. Heck I can even agree that 3.0 is suffering the same fate of too many inane fetch quests, but that does not bother me much since it's free xp, and I need to explore these areas anyway, so why not kill a few mobs on my way, and kill several birds in one stone. Which is the way World of Warcraft is structure.

Saying you want everything optional and make all players have access to every content in the game so they can play how they want, that requires another thread :) Go make one.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

You either accept it as it is, or you don't play it because it is pointless

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So we should've all just been happy playing 1.0, then? :D

And you should go tell all of the people posting bugs that they should "accept it as it is" and if they don't like it, they should quit the game.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Make up your mind then. Trimming fat in 2.1-2.55 is one type of request

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If they made the MSQ optional, we wouldn't need to trim anything.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

You either accept it as it is, or you don't play it because it is pointless.

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I wonder if you ever wanted something about this game changed...

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Forcing people to run older dungeons to keep contents relevant is all fine and dandy. Making the drops random IS NOT OK. I rather have a set run, or if you don't get the drop, you get generic token, after 10 runs with no drops (from any dungeons), exchange 10 tokens for ONE item from the dungeons of your choice. Once you clear a dungeons and get the drop, that said dungeons will not drop anymore tokens - this to prevent people spamming easy dungeons vs the horrid trio (AV, DD, and Sunken Temple).

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Why can't we get apartments luxury complex condominium style where you buy an area with multiple room - so one instanced apartments can hold 50-100 players and can co-exist with the current FC housing + other housing. All you do is click enter and it takes you to another zone, outside the apartments complex there will be stables etc (and inside the complex, places for crafting, vendors etc). You should be able to garden inside the room (similar to FFXI), and later they could add the "island vacation plot" similar to what they did with FFXI Adoulin.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

45 seconds is way too quick, 60 seconds is on the short side. 90 seconds would be normal and acceptable. 120 seconds is what this needs to be. Sometimes you are in the middle of something - and it also can take a while to zone in if you happen just to teleport into Mor Dhona, like, A VERY LONG WHILE. I rather not get hit by "withdrawal" penalty if one of my party members happen to just hit teleport while the notification is up, and it takes him/her more than 45 seconds to zone in and change jobs.

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Accept it as it is, or don't play, was it?

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

So we should've all just been happy playing 1.0, then? :D If they made the MSQ optional, we wouldn't need to trim anything.

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FF14 version 1 is a big fat failure, it needs to be reborn. You just can't play the game in 1.0 and it was such a slog to go through. Again, I don't make the game. You should know what kind of game play you are getting into. This game is much more fun to play with friends, and yes I can understand the annoyance of doing MSQ, especially if you have alts like me. You just need to see it differently, it's nothing but "free xp for minutes of works", one of the many type of activities in the game for you to do. They are there to help you level up faster with minimum amount of fuss. Those quest and MSQ is also a great stress reliever to not have to deal with random toxic players in the duty finder. If I am gonna go explore the areas, at least give me some reasons to do, and some activities to do, as well as free xp for minutes of works.

Between MSQ, Quests, Levequest, Weekly Challenge, FATE, and dungeons, this game is perfect. It has great pacing to suits every kind of players. But trying to please everyone and giving (some) options also has its downfall, someone somewhere will be unhappy because there are some aspects of the game they do not like.

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Originally Posted by ThanMazus

I wonder if you ever wanted something about this game changed... Accept it as it is, or don't play, was it?

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Yeah I made peace with it lol, you can just ignore the aspects of the game you do not like. Skip Cutscene is wonderful ability to have. Not participating in housing fiasco is another option I made, why bother with it, maybe one day when they fix it, I'll go try it. I don't have to do the savage or extreme version of any of the activities either. The token system will be implemented in Alexander raid it seems. Already in the game for Crystal Tower weekly quest to upgrade armor and weapons.

Just because there are aspects of the game I do not like, does not mean I have to stop playing. There will always be some content that is not for me, and that is ok, it is for other players who want that. And if you want that particular content, you just have to deal with it and do its required list of things to complete. Once you reach 60, everything else is optional and you cherry pick the content you want to do.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

you can just ignore the aspects of the game you do not like.

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Unless that thing you don't like is, you know, the MSQ Gating? According to your own logic though, you should've quit playing rather than post about your displeasure, no? "Accept it as it is or don't play" doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for "well unless it's a couple of these things which I may change my mind about later".

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

NO, they wouldn't. You'd still need to hit 50 in order to access level 50+ areas.

Contrary to what you seem to think, making the story optional doesn't mean there can't be an Elezen standing at the gate to Ishgard who says, "Oh, I'm sorry, I can't let you in yet!"

They've level-gated content in pretty much EVERY themepark MMO to date without needing to make the story mandatory.

And saying this is to circumvent RMT is a piss-poor excuse when RMT runs goddamn rampant through this game anyway.

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What you said here is pretty stupid. If you are going to have it level gated anyways, why not put a story into it that actually levels you more efficiently than the additional content in the game. Which by the way is the MSQ.

Making MSQ optional, starting over with each expansion... this is a large reason why no other MMOs match HW in story. It's a breath of fresh air to actually play an MMO that cares about their story. No matter how much you plead for it, SE is not going to make the entire MSQ optional for you.

The way I see it, if they cave to this demand this begins a downward spiral. I've played MMOs for over a decade and I can tell you, in MMOs, the customer is not always right. Sometimes always listening to the customer causes your game to bleed subs. If you don't listen enough the same result can happen, a balance is required.

Doing away with the pointless fetch quests in MSQ is fine. Making it optional is not fine, as most of these dungeons and trials are directly tied to the story in some form or another, giving meaning for the players who actually read the story. Getting into Ishgard would make absolutely no sense without this MSQ requirement, and would destroy the lore for all of the people who liked the story. Either way one side will be unhappy, you can never please everyone.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

You just need to see it differently, it's nothing but "free xp for minutes of works"

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This argument could be used to excuse any amount of shittiness in anything. "Don't think of those as bugs in your cereal. Think of them as extra protein!"

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But trying to please everyone and giving (some) options also has its downfall, someone somewhere will be unhappy because there are some aspects of the game they do not like.

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And as near as I can tell, making the story optional will please everyone, with 0 relevant exceptions.

The fact is, a suggestion to change something can be considered on its merit regardless of how many cries of "BUT CHANGING THINGS IZ BAD!!!!11!" arise.

In this case, there's no reason to not make the MSQ optional. No one gets hurt by it, and some people who don't want to do it don't have to.

It's win/win, especially for SE who will rake in more money.