.3 Second Positional Update Delay (Requesting Dev Response)

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

And no one says it doesn't exist - The problem is the people with the problem simply choose to believe it's a problem with SE/Game only and it absolutely can't be an issue on their end somewhere. By "their end" either what you use to play the game or your ISP or some other middleman. Thing is, Ms Eara there wouldn't be able to dodge anything nor anyone in her FC if there was a definitely source of the problem.

Like I've said, a game doesn't selective work for some people and choose not to for others without there being a variable to decide: "I think I want to malfunction for you :)"

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Well, asking tons of people to do a bunch of upgrades when the game works perfectly fine with everything else is not a good way to keep customers. My connection shows as excellent, the game runs flawlessly with everything maxed (even when there are 50+ people on the screen during fates). Spending hundreds to "maybe" eliminate this issue is not an option for me.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

And no one says it doesn't exist - The problem is the people with the problem simply choose to believe it's a problem with SE/Game only and it absolutely can't be an issue on their end somewhere. By "their end" either what you use to play the game or your ISP or some other middleman. Thing is, Ms Eara there wouldn't be able to dodge anything nor anyone in her FC if there was a definitely source of the problem.

Like I've said, a game doesn't selective work for some people and choose not to for others without there being a variable to decide: "I think I want to malfunction for you :)"

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Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

And no, it's not our problems. When I can fire up Rift/WAR/Aion/Tera/GW2/Diablo 3/LoL and have zero problems, ever, then it is something SE has done differently.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Like I've said, a game doesn't selective work for some people and choose not to for others without there being a variable to decide: "I think I want to malfunction for you :)"

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For many people who meet the minimum system requirements, or who play on the PS3, FATE bosses don't load once the FATE becomes crowded enough. For people with hardware far enough over the minimum requirements, this is not a problem.

This is not those players' problem. It is SE's. The game is broken for those players. It should not be.

It is entirely possible for a game to be broken for certain segments of its players and not others. It is also entirely possible for the problems causing the breakage to not be those players' responsibility. It happens constantly. That's why there are bug fixes. That's why most of the bug fixes you'll ever see listed affect "certain players" or occur in "certain circumstances."

Yes, there are some issues that players can and should alleviate. But you seem to be just as much in denial that this could be SE's problem as anyone else is that it could be their own.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

And no, it's not our problems. When I can fire up Rift/WAR/Aion/Tera/GW2/Diablo 3/LoL and have zero problems, ever, then it is something SE has done differently.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling

Pretty sure SE wouldn't have requested this information for awhile now if there's zero possibility (as you just stated) of it being on our side. SE doesn't run our ISPs, yet it's known ISPs throttle P2P traffic which some reported affect their XIV gameplay. The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design, which as we've proven is way more open than it should be.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Yes, there are some issues that players can and should alleviate. But you seem to be just as much in denial that this could be SE's problem as anyone else is that it could be their own.

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Considering a full PC upgrade fixed my issues with this? It's not 'denial', it's the simple fact in my personal experience it's clear there's more variables than: "It's SE's fault." In my upgrade I didn't even change manufacturers, using newer parts by the same people. Nor did I touch my ISP package or modem/router.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling

Pretty sure SE wouldn't have requested this information for awhile now if there's zero possibility (as you just stated) of it being on our side. SE doesn't run our ISPs, yet it's known ISPs throttle P2P traffic which some reported affect their XIV gameplay. The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design, which as we've proven is way more open than it should be.

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Let me bold it for you.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

then it is something SE has done differently.

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Thanks for agreeing with me.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

The only thing differently SE did was their packet handling and client design,

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Thanks for agreeing with me.

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Yet there's still plenty of us without the issue which is why they're investigating this. It's already been known SE built XIV differently, no one has ever said otherwise because all throughout 1.x Yoshi went on and on about that.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Yet there's still plenty of us without the issue which is why they're investigating this. It's already been known SE built XIV differently, no one has ever said otherwise because all throughout 1.x Yoshi went on and on about that.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Because EVERYONE is affected by it, just by varying degrees. You aren't not effected by it, it's just not something you can notice on your end.

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Yoshida himself said the issue would be fixed, and it isn't.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...-Transcription

Post #18 here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xed-ASAP/page2

And then how about this thread in the accepted bugs forum:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29



You're putting your head in the sand because you, personally, can't see it. Good for you, it's going to pop up at one time or another because it effects everyone. Do you pre-move out of WotL in titan? Have the phases memorized? Have you done twintania? Moved during the last ~.5s of a cast and still completed it?

Go online, right now, and cast a spell while moving. Does the cast bar pop up, and does part of it start to cast? You do have the problem. I have not met a single person that could not see a cast bar pop up, and part of it cast, while moving.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Considering a full PC upgrade fixed my issues with this? It's not 'denial', it's the simple fact in my personal experience it's clear there's more variables than: "It's SE's fault." In my upgrade I didn't even change manufacturers, using newer parts by the same people. Nor did I touch my ISP package or modem/router.

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I your original hardware met the minimum requirements, it's not an upgrade that should have been necessary. If the game does not function correctly with the hardware it's advertised to work with, that is not the user's problem. It is SE's. The fact that you elected to buy your way out of the broken segment of the population does not mean that there is no broken segment.

You claim it's impossible for the game to be broken for some people but not others. That's a ridiculous claim. Games are constantly, routinely broken for only certain people.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

You claim it's impossible for the game to be broken for some people but not others. That's a ridiculous claim. Games are constantly, routinely broken for only certain people.

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Exactly. Isn't that pretty much what variables you'd have to consider being other than, "it's not my fault"?

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If your original hardware met the minimum requirements, it's not an upgrade that should have been necessary.

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That's the thing - On my old PC I could play XIV 1.x no problem (aside the obvious design issues), but ARR? Nothing but issues in the regard of this situation. So I got my fiance to build me a brand new pc and poof - every problem I had with ARR vanished. If I told him to go part by part I could have pinpointed it, but I know the most noticable upgrade was my Network Hardware (new mobo) and new GPU. The CPU was actually a "downgrade" if you believe the whole Intel > AMD.

The dance-style combat is broken for me. I've been hit by an AOE from across the room.

No, I DON'T have a great computer. But if the game runs on it I should be able to play.
The thing that gets me is there is no other option. I can't say, "This part is an issue for me, so I'll change to a different job and still get to contribute." In FFXI, I could stay off the front lines as WHM and I could throw up Stoneskin and Blink.
In FFXIV you dance or die. There is no job I can play where I can avoid this glaring issue, and it's not like FFXI where something goes wrong but I can hold out. These things are often insta-kill situations.
The first dungeons were so much fun where using my actual class abilities could get us out of a bind. The further end-game it gets the more it gets to all look alike. "Dodge the skills or you die, the game".
I want my job abilities to be what makes the difference, not whether I can afford hundreds of dollars in upgrades for my computer.