Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

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Originally Posted by JMadFour

everyone says this. but when a "different" mmo comes out, they won't play it.

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Hate to break it to you. But most mmos that have come out over the years have just been clones. They haven't changed much at all. Well save for GW2, but that "failed" (in my opinion) due to going BACK on their manifesto and adding samey progression with some gear, and the fact that free server transfers killed pvp back in the day.

So yeah really haven't seen many "different" come out yet. It's the same "spam eq/wow style skinner boxes" that weve seen for quite a long time.

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Would a samurai change his beliefs simply because guns were created? I compare a Samurai to guns because to me it's the same difference, guns are the easy root but being a samurai requires alot of knowledge, skill, experience and fighting capabilities. We XI players are Samurai's!!!

We want what is owed to us, our right to play our game the way we like playing it. -.-b

Is it too much to ask that we have some content we can relate too?[/QUOTE]


Yes, Yes a Samurai would. The whole Samurai system as was romanticized in the Edo period could only have come into existence through force of fire arms at the end of the Sengoku period. We can also talk about the number of Samurai who adapted in the Meiji restoration.


Or I guess in your metaphor you're the guys up in the hills waiting to die holding ot the old ways but letting the new guys put you out of your misery?

Just no, oh, just no.

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Originally Posted by Remian

Six player groups grinding in the open world being the only way to progress through the levels combined with it taking a long time to reach level cap was amazing. Get rid of linear questlines, instanced dungeons and fates entirely and just give us that instead. It would open up the game a whole lot and give players a reason to actually go out into the game world to participate in meaningful progression and have fun while doing it. This is what we've been craving all of these years but we only get the standard 5 days to hit max level junk.

Put an end to handing out free gear to players and make them put in effort to raise the funds to buy crafted gear to use while leveling up instead.

Make gathering and crafting worthwhile. Add in a few dangerous areas with extremely rare materials that you have to dig up. Instead of endgame content dropping completed gear, change it up so you have to use a boss drop combined with these rare materials gatherers dig up to craft the completed item. Player driven economies are a good thing.

Add in diverse endgame content. Remove mythology tomes entirely and put the alternative set of item level 90 gear in some challenging content that is actually difficult meant for organized 4 player groups. I think it's just plain stupid that you can get a full set of ilv90 gear by simply completing these brain dead easy mode dungeons.

I'm sure I can go on and on about how a mmorpg should be and how super important meaningful progression and grind is to ensure the longevity and enjoyment of a mmorpg but I will stop here. Doubt i'll ever see any of the things I want in the genre ever again so i'll just have to settle for what's available.

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There aren't enough ways to say "no" in the English language.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

There aren't enough ways to say "no" in the English language.

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They are Samurai. Fetishing the most irrelavant aspect of their previous relevancy in hopes of making them Relevant once more.

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Originally Posted by Remian

Sheer Lunacy

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This post right here is the very reason Yoshi & Co. should just keep doing what they're doing. These types cannot be catered to under ANY circumstance. These types of players drove most of us from XI after Adoulin was released and Team Matsui has been going the wrong way ever since (Having to do Divine Might on HGH to upgrade Artifact gear to iLv 119? Seriously?).

I haven't even gone over all of the job bandwagon-hopping and discrimination that caused players to leave in droves.

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Originally Posted by Remian

She said a bunch of stuff.....

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Give them time. The game is still young. They are still catering toward people who like things handed to them.

Since this thread is about making 14 more like 11, remember the following;

There was no real 'end game' 4 months in to 11
Storyline was limited to Rank 5 iirc
Only a few HNMs roamed Vana'diel

It wasn't until the release of Rise of Zilart did they implement a true grind. More HNMs, Sky, Dynamis. Key elements that hardcore players enjoyed about XI. Give them time...

A few things I miss about XI;

Quantity of Spells for Mages
Weaponskills for Melees and Abilities of All Classes
and the over all uniqueness of each class.
I miss Skill Chaining in low level Groups.
Going into a Zone and the Mobs actually pose a threat.
Purchasing / Farming spells for Mages, Why are they just given to us?!
The Gear, may be, the #1 thing I miss. Not a fan of every piece being exactly the same as the piece before, just larger numbers.
The Auto-Translate function, so much better than what we currently have
Gear Comparison Windows, Why don't we have this?!

Things I don't Miss

Looking for party for 3 Hours, just to have to log off.
Over crowded HNM pops. Waiting for the 3 hour window to pass, just to Have someone in ur PT target a Darter and lose claim on Fafhogg.
Lack of Transportation between areas.

While I understand some of his has been addressed in recent Expansion, I stopped playing shortly after the 90 lv Cap.

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Originally Posted by LordSaviour

Give them time. The game is still young. They are still catering toward people who like things handed to them.

Since this thread is about making 14 more like 11, remember the following;

There was no real 'end game' 4 months in to 11
Storyline was limited to Rank 5 iirc
Only a few HNMs roamed Vana'diel

It wasn't until the release of Rise of Zilart did they implement a true grind. More HNMs, Sky, Dynamis. Key elements that hardcore players enjoyed about XI. Give them time...

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Don't forget BCNM. Those counted as end game back then also. But the biggest difference was that you could actually do them more then once a week.

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Originally Posted by Amberion

Don't forget BCNM. Those counted as end game back then also. But the biggest difference was that you could actually do them more then once a week.

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bcnms are an equivalent to ffxiv's primal fights imo. Heck even in 1.0 you had to farm currency to enter them.