Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Noxotic

No drops T10-12 again, T13 tomorrow. T10 and T11 I goofed pretty hard this week, T12 I beat my record, T13 we'll see tomorrow. One problem I'm always noticing is DPS keeps being pushed close to 51% on Bahamut right as Rage of Bahamut pops, so we've just stopped dps completely until that last add spawns, kill it, then push the phase. I'm kinda curious what you guys do.

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I think most groups get to this point and ultimately most just throttle DPS, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the enrage stays easy and unless you guys want a good clear time or good parses it's not too important.

If you DO want to push it, there are basically a few timings which vary in difficulty/shittiness

1. Pushing RIGHT after Rage. Terrible, I don't recommend this, Gigaflare + wyvern at the same time, the level of healing required to heal up the group after Rage going into Gigaflare, and then Gigaflare into Dive Bombs, while maintaining aggro, probably requires Shroud and a little luck.
2. Pushing right before Rage. The window for this is actually huge, basically if you get the Megaflare before the 2nd Rage it's within that window. It can be pretty hard but do-able, Dive Bombs are a pain to fight wyvern with efficiently and have all 8 members dodge, and you might need Cover on the WHM depending on if the wyvern spawned after AoE healing or not. This timing is annoying though, as I mentioned before you should only take this timing if you're just looking for good records/numbers, throttling for 20s is usually better than risking a 4m~ run on this situation.
3. Push before Megaflare. This is the goal if pushing wyvern, and the earlier you push the better! If you push early enough, wyvern spawns as the adds spawn, have one tank take the wyvern, one tank take both the other adds. You may have adds up while the Sins spawn but if you have enough DPS to get this push timing you have enough to kill everything before the Sin's eyes. If you push before Megaflare but RIGHT before Megaflare, the wyvern will spawn during dive bomb Megaflare of sorts, it's not necessarily hard but don't let your tanks get caught off guard.

It's easy with the 3rd timing, but I'd probably recommend most groups stick with throttling TBH.

Finally got the ring last night so first bis drg on my server. :D

i dont got issues like that cause i been doing sales `-`

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Since yesterday's T13 Kill which is the 5th in total for me and received the Helmet to finish my BiS Set. What sort of DPS should I be aiming for at a Dummy with X-Pot, Party and Poison Pot?

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I would probably say around 640 DPS. I'm almost BIS (missing neck and ring) still using the Ramuh 110 ring.
Managed 598 DPS on T11 yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Well after 3 Minutes, 1 Member in the Party, 1 X-Pot and Black Truffle Risotto Food, I only managed to hit 615. Had no Poisoning Pots, but would that increase it that much?
I'm following the Rotation of this Thread and a long time ago I used it sort of wrong, cause of refreshing Buffs/Debuffs too early, but after some advice I'm not doing any kind of these mistakes anymore,
so am not sure what else could be the reason for the lack of DPS on a Dummy?
If 640 DPS should be the actual DPS to aim for that is.

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A lil better RNG and if u waited until u got another B4B off before u cut the parse off I'd say you'd hit 640 no problem, especially if u throw in mercy strokes, which on a "DUMMY" I don't see why you wouldn't. A lot of people like to argue that it's cheating for some reason.

bis after 5 t13 kills `-`

rip life

No it isn't - You're telling me you can Mercy Stroke 240/90 = 2.666r+ times during a single target boss encounter?

The main problem with Mercy Stroking a dummy and then using that in a meaningful comparison with other classes is a NIN or BRD doing their enders will horribly skew their results, and it's crazy fight dependent how many Misery's Ends a BRD will get per your Mercy Strokes.

IMO best to keep finishers out of a dummy parse and then just consider the damage outside of your results.

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Well after 3 Minutes, 1 Member in the Party, 1 X-Pot and Black Truffle Risotto Food, I only managed to hit 615. Had no Poisoning Pots, but would that increase it that much?
I'm following the Rotation of this Thread and a long time ago I used it sort of wrong, cause of refreshing Buffs/Debuffs too early, but after some advice I'm not doing any kind of these mistakes anymore,
so am not sure what else could be the reason for the lack of DPS on a Dummy?
If 640 DPS should be the actual DPS to aim for that is.

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It's definitely not 640.
I have the same set-up as you (xpot, food, party, no_mercy), but I use a crafted filler and only do a max of 610-620 with a reasonable Crit rate.
But I have absolutely the worst ping on the planet (as mentioned a few pages back), so my Jumps/SSD/DFD will always clip into the next GCD.
I would say a solid 620, so you're on the right track.

630-640 shouldn't be too far away with a finished gearset imo

with xpf, im doing 605-615 with zodiac (35det/24crit/24sksp) and i110 choker, no mercy stroke. getting dread spear and dread choker would push that to 630+ at least i think