The Monk Temple Reborn

Monks ... Impossible to gauge. Strong in the past. Strong in the present. Strong for eternity! Imma go roll a monk. lolbard. ; ;

Meditation needs to be different somehow. oGCD proc, or a super short GCD like ninjitsu-creators. Or both! Something like, on crit of a GL refresher, you reduce the GCD and recast time of Meditation to .5 seconds. That would be fun. Obviously this requires a cooldown to FC, but then we could actually use it in rotation. Or we could get a debuff that decreases FC damage each time we use it, so it's not that powerful all the time if we use it often. Seems like all our new stuff, from the design theory's standpoint, boils down to, "You're about to not be able to do anything, USE ALL YOUR NEW CRAP." I'd like to use my new crap more often and in more interesting ways than that.

What's the general DPS looking like? I got 1066 without any buffs(no pt/food etc) with a 180 wep, full 180 left side and mostly 170 right side(with one 180 ring)

Am I the only one that feels Forbidden Chakra harder to press after today's maintenance? I have to press it like 5-7 times to make it happen, and it's supposed to be a OGCD skill, but this way it lakes a lot of time for my next GCD D:

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Originally Posted by Umbrax

Am I the only one that feels Forbidden Chakra harder to press after today's maintenance? I have to press it like 5-7 times to make it happen, and it's supposed to be a OGCD skill, but this way it lakes a lot of time for my next GCD D:

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Sometimes I could swear I have pressed it, only to continue fighting and see it again a few seconds later. Could just be me making mistakes though.

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Originally Posted by Umbrax

Am I the only one that feels Forbidden Chakra harder to press after today's maintenance? I have to press it like 5-7 times to make it happen, and it's supposed to be a OGCD skill, but this way it lakes a lot of time for my next GCD D:

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Certainly felt it here.

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Originally Posted by Umbrax

Am I the only one that feels Forbidden Chakra harder to press after today's maintenance? I have to press it like 5-7 times to make it happen, and it's supposed to be a OGCD skill, but this way it lakes a lot of time for my next GCD D:

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Yes, actually. I was doing Bis Ex last night and noticed that I still had it ready after killing the chitin despite mashing it through my rotation. I just went to the dummy now and it's not activating OGCD until the GCD is a good 2/3 of the way done at least.
Something definitely feels different though if this is not the case for anyone else but me.

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Originally Posted by Umbrax

Am I the only one that feels Forbidden Chakra harder to press after today's maintenance? I have to press it like 5-7 times to make it happen, and it's supposed to be a OGCD skill, but this way it lakes a lot of time for my next GCD D:

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I've noticed that too. I hope SE fixes this. It already sucks that the chakra system is useless while in combat :\. Now it's a PITA to use at all.

I've just posted in the In-Game Bugs forum regarding this (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ating-properly). I encourage anyone else who is experiencing this and has the time to add onto my post. Looks like there's going to be an emergency hotfix maintenance since last night's patch has also broken DRK so hopefully a fix for this will be included too if it is accepted.

I'm glad others are having issues with this too (well not glad that the issue exists...just that I'm not alone). I thought I was just really off my game today.

Anyone finding a rotation they are getting good results with and feeling comfortable?

Forbidden Chakra is definitely behaving weirdly after maintenance. At first I thought it was cause I wasn't using WTFast, but even with it you have to delay your press till well past halfway being done with GCD.


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**Note: I'm aware without supply a video I can't really get clear cut answers to my issue outside of speculation**

I am having a DPS problem on the dummy and I can't figure out what could be wrong. I have Hive Claws and a good amount of i180 gear. For some reason I can only find myself able to maintain around 1050-1080 DPS without party and food buff and potion. I've played monk since release and as far as I can tell I'm following all the priority rules:

My opener is Form shift to Coeurl and open with Demolish -> PB -> Snapx2 (BFB) -> Snap (IR) -> DK (Steel Peak) -> Twin Snakes (Howling Fist)

Then I go into general rotation:

BS -> TrS -> SP -> ToD -> DK -> TS -> Demo -> ad nauseum

while mixing in oGCDs and reapplying BfB and IR as present.

I am very sure I'm not missing any auto attacks either because I tried with and without lockon and garner up basically the same DPS.

Is there some finesse aspect I'm missing that adds a good amount of dps, some timing issue that I may be missing?

I'm following the priority system to a T: Keep GL3, DK, and TS buffs up.
I'm also reapplying Demolish and ToD at or after the 3 second mark.

any advice?

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Originally Posted by yillin

Forbidden Chakra is definitely behaving weirdly after maintenance. At first I thought it was cause I wasn't using WTFast, but even with it you have to delay your press till well past halfway being done with GCD.


On the side:

**Note: I'm aware without supply a video I can't really get clear cut answers to my issue outside of speculation**

I am having a DPS problem on the dummy and I can't figure out what could be wrong. I have Hive Claws and a good amount of i180 gear. For some reason I can only find myself able to maintain around 1050-1080 DPS without party and food buff and potion. I've played monk since release and as far as I can tell I'm following all the priority rules:

My opener is Form shift to Coeurl and open with Demolish -> PB -> Snapx2 (BFB) -> Snap (IR) -> DK (Steel Peak) -> Twin Snakes (Howling Fist)

Then I go into general rotation:

BS -> TrS -> SP -> ToD -> DK -> TS -> Demo -> ad nauseum

while mixing in oGCDs and reapplying BfB and IR as present.

I am very sure I'm not missing any auto attacks either because I tried with and without lockon and garner up basically the same DPS.

Is there some finesse aspect I'm missing that adds a good amount of dps, some timing issue that I may be missing?

I'm following the priority system to a T: Keep GL3, DK, and TS buffs up.
I'm also reapplying Demolish and ToD at or after the 3 second mark.

any advice?

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Are you using Fracture at all? I'll Fracture if I have 4 seconds left on Demo and am not running short on TP. Also in your opener you're using 4 Coeurl Form moves in a row at the beginning. I'd move those around. I do the following without pot usage:
Demo (PB) SP > SP (BfB) TwS (IR) DK (EF) SP (tFC) |PB end| ToD (HF) BS (StP) TS (ST) Demo > Fracture > DK > TwS > SP > blah blah blah.

I'm at i172 with i180 weapon and I'm getting 1050-1055 DPS with no party buff, food, or pots at around 4 minutes. So you're a bit shy considering you have the i190 weapon. Could be an execution issue. Can you make a video so we can actually see?

Wanna try this opener? Raptor form - twin - pb - snap - snap - demo - dk - bfb - bs - bs - xpot - twin - ir - snap - fc - dk - ed - true - hf - tod - steel peak - fracture - shoulder tackle - demo - bs - twin - snap.

Anybody knows how fast are monks GCDs with GL3 and Ilvl180 gear?

2.03 with 631 skillspeed i179 since the rings are split i170 and i180

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Originally Posted by yillin

dps opener issues

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What happened to Elixir Field?

Ok fellow monks live letter q and a r up, so ask away. I made a list of possible changes for meditation from all of u. So click like and will go from there

Definitely feeling the forbidden chakra pain at the moment.

What is the forbidden pain?

They might as well turn Forbidden Chakra into a GCD skill now, considering how hard is it to activate properly without losing a second or more of GCD.

Finally got around to leveling monk since i decided to switch to drg for hs. Been playing around with the opener and I've taken the japanese opener from 2.4 and modified it to fit the new 3.0 skills (mainly just the ogcd stuff).

Stack 5 chakra > form shift X3 > demo (pb) > snap > snap (b4b) > tws > dk (pot) > snap (ir) > tod (fc) > bs (sp) > ts (hf) > demo (ef) > dk > tw > snap > etc

Popping your buffs like this allows for maximum time while you have gl3. b4b, your pot, and ir all drop at the last snap punch and allows a fully buffed demo and tod. Haven't payed attention yet to see how the buffs line up later with the change of 21 sec demo.

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Originally Posted by Humorless

They might as well turn Forbidden Chakra into a GCD skill now, considering how hard is it to activate properly without losing a second or more of GCD.

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Wouldn't mind that at all if potency doubled

Anyone feel like forbidden chakra and tornado kick should have potency increased? Feel hardly worth it. Still fun to use and still great in their proper places but yeah.

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- An issue wherein the monk action “The Forbidden Chakra” and the astrologian action “Draw” cannot be queued immediately following the use of a weaponskill or spell.

*These issues are scheduled to be addressed next week in Patch 3.01.

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Well there we go.

Its in there, just forgot to type it. Ill try both those openers and figure out how to get a recording up. Thanks for the help so far.

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Originally Posted by kyorakun

Wanna try this opener? Raptor form - twin - pb - snap - snap - demo - dk - bfb - bs - bs - xpot - twin - ir - snap - fc - dk - ed - true - hf - tod - steel peak - fracture - shoulder tackle - demo - bs - twin - snap.

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No reason to twin then pb push pb back and get another ability in your pb time. Never forget twin leads into snap/demo anyway

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Originally Posted by Odowla

Like i said in your linkshell the other day, i think det/ss stacking will be the thing to do (unless SS is broken like it is for bards..)

It'll basically be Det/det stacking

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You reach a break point though due to tp. And lets not forget gl3 increases attack speed not the skill speed stat its self so gl wont increase dot dmg. If you need an example: fey glow(or which ever ov selenes buffs from 2.0) incrased ss on the stat. So it would show in your stats as you having 800-900 ss gl stacks do not increase the stats number.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

Assuming Alex normal mode drops gear higher than Lv180, we still got 3 Weeks until we get to pick one piece of gear over others.

I think I'm doing a Crit, SS, Det build for now though, I realize SS doesn't effect Shoulder Tackle, Steel Peak, Howling Fists, Elixer Drive or Forbidden Chakra or Auto Attacks (Does it?) So I don't think it is a good first stat or prioritize, though with the Det nerf I don't see that being a strong stat for melee classes, not a bad stat, just not the best.

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Det was nerfed but now they give us more of it on gear. And it still increases the dmg your weapon skills do

Question for hak, what have you been getting in bex raex and on a dummy lately? Just curious for comparisons sake

1140ish no party, food or pot. 1200 give or take with buffs. I dont do bis or ravanna much. So couldn't really tell you.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

1140ish no party, food or pot. 1200 give or take with buffs. I dont do bis or ravanna much. So couldn't really tell you.

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Right next to you on numbers then. Im happy with that

Gj vin, proud of you bud. Caring about that dps!

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

Gj vin, proud of you bud. Caring about that dps!

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Ye boi, what opener are you using now? Or are you still flipping it around due to the new abilities

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

Anyone feel like forbidden chakra and tornado kick should have potency increased? Feel hardly worth it. Still fun to use and still great in their proper places but yeah.

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the idea behind those 2 skills is to keep us competitive with other classes even when we are forced into downtime, if we were to simply cut out all the downtime if a fight now and just look at the raw damage, we actually gain dps now with the potency as they are, even though we lose GL3.

crossposting:

"Now that I've thought about it for a while, I think the following changes would be fun, and practical, but not OP:

1. Chakra stacks automatically every few seconds, 5 maybe, IF you're in Fists of Focus. (Yes, a new Fists form.)
2. Reduce the Potency of Forbidden Chakra, (WAIT, DON'T PITCHFORK ME!) *but* have it grant GL3.
3. Change Purification to an ability that removes all TP costs for a certain amount of time, 15 seconds maybe. (This would still serve the current purpose, but also allow it to have an alternate use for AoE spams.)"

hey Hakmatic can you post latest vid with food and xpot for 3 min. I'd like to see that 1.2k.

aight so you want instant gl3 every 25 seconds

you'd get 50% of gl3 uptime if you never hit a skill

do we play monk for different reasons here

at that point just play ninja

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Originally Posted by rickyguo

aight so you want instant gl3 every 25 seconds

you'd get 50% of gl3 uptime if you never hit a skill

do we play monk for different reasons here

at that point just play ninja

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and a lot of good GL3 would do you if you never hit a skill. o.O

to be clear, you'd have to be OUT of Fists of Fire for it to build, so you're trading your damage buff for future abilities. yes, maths would have to be done to ensure it wouldn't be better to just stay in Focus all the time.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

Anyone feel like forbidden chakra and tornado kick should have potency increased? Feel hardly worth it. Still fun to use and still great in their proper places but yeah.

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Forbidden feels fine to me. Tornado Kick is a tad weak though.