White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

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Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.

If they're going to give out items that they previously said wouldn't be obtainable they should start with things people have actually asked for. Like why not have a vendor that sells dated gear?

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

If they're going to give out items that they previously said wouldn't be obtainable they should start with things people have actually asked for. Like why not have a vendor that sells dated gear?

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It's possible that they're testing the waters.

WoW brought a lot of highly sought after items back using a special auction house if I recall correctly. Something like that being implemented in FFXIV would be pretty neat...especially since we're in need of more gil sinks.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.

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It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

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It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Yet if they are just pixels and have no value, why would anyone care if they were unobtainable? This argument comes up way too many times. They obviously hold value, it's being purposefully misleading.

We could all unknowingly be wiped out within the hour by a space-born object. Does that somehow detract from the Iron Ring's meaning before then? It is just a piece of metal after all? No, it doesn't.

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I don't care if they are unobtainable. They are literally code in a virtual world and have no value in the real world. This is a fact. You're comparing a real life status symbol to something that is fiction. Real world things are given vanity value because of monetary representation (which people can and do disagree on). However, again, this is line of code that can be replicated endlessly.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

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Let us not forget 1.0 had a pretty steep demand on a PC to be able to play it and is one of many elephants in this room of a topic. Also, seeing Bayohne's statement, they said the White Ravens would not be obtained in A Realm Reborn. That's cool - they kept their word as it's now Stormblood (inb4 nit-picking argument; didn't say 'Final Fantasy XIV' but a specific expansion of said game). To put it in another scenario, they could re-release the same item with a different name. They'd still be keeping their word, as well.

However, again, I feed back into my statement:
The earrings have no actual value. The value comes from what you feel is there due to sentimental value. People want 'badges' and 'notches on their belt' to show off.

Let me ask you something else:
Are you upset Hildibrand and Good King Moggle Mog are content that is replicated in ARR? Why or why not? Shouldn't they also have this same exclusivity standard? Are you only placing items on a pedestal? What if SE added Riven Road and added Nael as an echo fight and gave the earrings that way? Would you be just as upset?

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

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That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

In a week or two, this topic will be dead and forgotten and everyone would have gotten over this. Just like the Moogle suit, veteran glamours, hellpups, and any other thing that was made no longer exclusive.

We should know by now that things change.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

In a week or two, this topic will be dead and forgotten and everyone would have gotten over this. Just like the Moogle suit, veteran glamours, hellpups, and any other thing that was made no longer exclusive.

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Well, one can hope anyways.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

You can repeat this ad nauseum, but unfortunately for you the authority on who deserves what in this game disagrees.

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Another example of people not answering the question haha.

People like you can parrot the ToS or keep saying SE can do whatever it wants but at the end of the day we are offering actual opinions to the problem. You guys act like the community can't have a opinion because what SE says is final.

So I guess 24 man loot rules should/should've stayed the way they were despite people heavily disliking it?

I can name other things that the community vehemently disliked and voiced opinions and I highly doubt you and your kind would come in parroting the ToS, or maybe u would, idk. Please offer a real argument, thanks