In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

I stopped reading your post as soon as I saw point 2) which is complete nonsense.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...bbbb160ec3ce9d

Heavesward introduced instances of each zone and had close to no issues at all with congestion, even on high pop servers. It was a smooth and nearly flawless launch and it doesn't matter how much you're willing to twist the reality - you won't change the facts.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

This is exactly what you just said... ... ... Is that all you have?

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I had lots of arguments and obviously - most of them you conveniently ignored because they dont fit into your 'this game sucks' mentality. For this reason as I already said - I'm done talking to you as there is no point. I just feel sorry for you, as you clearly suffer playing this game, yet have to pay for it monthly.

Your anger prevents you from seeing context of what I say. Housing indeed got better. We had 720 plots at the start. Now we have nearly 3k and apartments. More will be added in near future. Some changes to its distribution are planned. Do I really have to explain, why all this is better than 720 plots for FC only posted for some insane prices ? It sucks currently yeah, but at least it has been officially acknowledged by devs that it can't go on like this no more. Due to overwhelming feedback they will look into this and results we'll see in few months.

If you truly believe in acts, then wait till they act as eta has been given already. By 3.2. Your whining won't make it go any faster.

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Originally Posted by Imsoangry

I stopped reading your post as soon as I saw point 2) which is complete nonsense.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...bbbb160ec3ce9d

Heavesward introduced instances of each zone and had close to no issues at all with congestion, even on high pop servers. It was a smooth and nearly flawless launch and it doesn't matter how much you're willing to twist the reality - you won't change the facts.

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Your thing doesnt prove it was there before the release o_o
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...72181cfc9e8810 They clearly said "will be hard to play" ... And is what we had, then for area congestion... your link
HW release was really smooth... (preaccess : 20 juin this link is a statement of situation... july 1st. and your thing is an update of their way to fix it july the 9th... smooth?)


I read you others arguments, but ... you dislike what i say. And fun fact, never said "this game sucks" i even said during our trade here that was a time i did defend yoshida and this game even with theri big mistake. Just my mind change, due to the way yoshida is all time doing. I like this game enough to have 2 subscription (even if it is also a way to fix an issue they never fix themselves...)
I like this game enough to always hoping they would change the way they work, and REALLY listen to us (as they did in begnining of ARR... not as they do now... they did listen, they listen no more)
I like this game enough to be there, on forum, asking for them for this.
This game doesnt suck. Some decision they take to manage the game. Good game, bad management if you prefer?

It is because i believe in act that i dont trust yoshida. 4 years waiting for a real act. I want him to go faster. I want it to go the GOOD way, the way where everyone is finally happy (at least : 1 house per account + for each FC, at best : everyone can choose their place and size, without restriction to be the faster to log in)


You think i cant see context? HOW the context could say "thinking 720 is enough is not an error"
It got better when all is sold faster than before? If it was better, people wouldnt be in flame in a state really more hotter than until now...
You say i cant see what really is, but maybe it is you who gets this problem?

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why all this is better than 720 plots for FC only posted for some insane prices ?

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In my mind : Personal housing is the error.
He lied to us about personal housing (my sign :-° he explained the change AFTER people asking explanation for this obvious stupidity with saying "i want people to have a neighborhood" ...)
So... if his solution in 4.2 is to get back all personal house to be sure every FC get one... I wouldnt be as happy as if everyone gets one, butHappier a lot than now.

And insane prices... If he use old legacy servers prices, it wouldnt be so insane now. You know, those price who first ignite people about housing nearly 4 years ago ;)


I want act, and i did in the past mistake on some point to not ask the act to be done.
If we get 5 ward on each area + 1 house per player = not an act. just a little bandage on a great open wound.

Btw i will leave to you the last word if you want it, wont answer after if you do.
Your argument is limited to "no matter in HW, and SE did many improvement, so you have no reason to think they wont do anything" and even when i point to issue they didnt fix, or the fact they dont learn for their mistake you just return to your base argument (and... i have MANY other example for the matter of "learning")

When YoshiP dropped the prices, he forgot to add in like 100+ wards to make it balanced for players back in 3.3.

Now they are at the point to add 200+ wards if they need to.

But considering how it's going to take 2-3 months for them to announce what they are going to do, it's going to take forever.

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Originally Posted by Aerlana

Your thing doesnt prove it was there before the release o_o

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I realise that understanding what you read is something that may be problematic for you, but post I linked specifically proves that instances were introduced along with Heavensward early access start. It has 07/09/2015 date only because it was updated on 9th July when they removed instances as they were no longer needed.

*Because congestion has abated and population levels have returned to normal, this feature is no longer being implemented. (Updated Jul. 9, 2015 3:45 a.m. PDT)

As for rest of what you said, at this point I honestly couldn't care less because the more you say, the more nonsense I see. Maybe tell us all. You said other MMOS have all these features FFXIV is missing. If that's the case how come WoW still doesn't have a personal housing 14 years since it got released even though many people demand it ?
Hint - I'm not looking for a real answer as you can't provide any. I'm just pointing out some bs that you said.

One major fix for the problem is to make it to where you can only have one personal house and one free company house per account. For people who already have multiple houses they should be allowed to choose which house they want to give up and have a time limit in which to give up said houses. If they do not give up their houses in that time frame then they loose all houses on their account. There would have to be a refund mechanic in place for the houses they would be giving up and the furniture they would be loosing.

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Originally Posted by Bloodmoon

Funny thing is, being an owner of a L house in the Goblet, I'd be placated by simply being able to change the exterior/interior of my house to the Shirogane Style. No server bulk-ups, just change the code.

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I am pretty sure you can. I visited my friend's house in the goblet and it was a Shirogane castle style. I am not sure if its crafted or the standard issue for the neighborhood or not. I figured it was like all of the houses themed for the area, you can use them in other areas like glade,riviera themes can be used in other cities.

If they refuse to do instance housing then they really need to

At least double all available wards.
Separate FCs and personal housing.
Make it so you can only have 1 house per account and strip houses from people who own multiple ones.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

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I think if they at least tripled the number of wards across all housing areas it would put a reasonable dent in the supply problem on most servers...and if they added some over time afterwards that would also help. Balmung would probably be another story. They could also just keep adding subdivisions to our current wards. Not sure if there would be anything different about that though. Ideally, we should have a ward system that expands as soon as a number of plots are filled, adding another immediately. There would probably be a cap though, but it would realistically grow as the server does...which means they shouldn't reach the cap on most servers. That said, they really do need to crack down on how many houses people can have per server/account. Yes, people did what SE allowed them to, I get it. But there's not enough supply to meet the demand...and those who purchase like, 5+ plots are a bit of an issue now.

So Z'ythe had an idea which he posted: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ost-and-survey

Although I do believe my post there is also relevant to ideas here.

When it comes to option 1, however if they changed the way housing works and made it 1 personal house, and 1 Free Company House (Even though it's communal property, if they went by who is the FC leader at the time, it may fix this issue.) per account and rather than per character, an addition of wards could work. However there would still be a server strain due to the instanced wards having to load in not only all the houses in the neighborhoods but also all of the decorations they have in their yards. But this is yet another matter.

I do like the redesign idea where you start out with a small but the yard could very well compensate for the ability to pay gill to up grade it to a medium and eventually a large. I think a lot would appreciate that because at least then everyone starts out with the same and can upgrade as they pool and or gain the income via it be a personal house or an FC house. However I also know that this would require time, funding and a reward of housing wards. Though if you pair it with the 1 personal house and one FC house per account or per account per server, this could work out well for everyone eventually. It would also take out the entitlement folk feel I think.

I also like your Citadel idea, and I'll expand on this in a moment. It would take a rework of apartments and how they work as well, but I also like the apartment system. Although I do see the problem being with apartments as they can't be upgraded in size as they're at least the top floor of a small house size wise I think. I may be wrong. If they had the ability to be upgraded in size, this would help and give people the ability to garden with a balcony option, this may placate some. You should also be allowed to add a tenate or at least your spouse (if anything) if you're married in game. I dunno about you but one of my favorite things to do is hang out in my husband's apartment if for nothing more than he's gotten better at decorating, but for his orchestion list. Gives me nice music to listen do while crafting and such when he's at work. Yet I couldn't go in if he forgot to lock it.

Now back to the Citadel idea. I understand it would be a different building for a Free Company and would give them all access to a room that they could all decorate provided permissions given. It would also give them a place where they could garden as well and have access to an airship and a workshop. This would help immensely but would probably have to be seperate from personal apartments and I'm not real sure how that would work or be implemented as of yet. It may have to be instanced, but I don't know. This would take more thought to work out in my head. (I'm a little distracted right now.)

As far as instanced housing goes, for personal houses I would and could agree with this but can also understand how it would upset folk. Back when we were on Gilgamesh when housing was first implemented, we did have some pretty cool neighbors. Yet these places (the wards) in these times today are rather dead as far as a neighborhood feel goes unless you have a friend or two in the ward that you could go visit. At least if it was instanced (unsure how they'd manage this) like maybe in your set of instances you could also have your friend(s) in the same instance with their houses? This sadly would take more of a toll on the servers and I'm not sure if it could be implemented in a way which it would feasibly work or work well. I understand the want of a feeling of community, yes, but if it's just people around the market board or summoning bells and no communication outside of that; it's really just an eclectic mess of people who don't socialize with one another. So I'm not really sure how they'd go about this section, simple as that. I love that our little house is across from our free company but I've friends there and they can visit me when I don't feel like socializing with the whole of the FC. Some days I have a day where I like to be in my own space with a couple of close friends.

Honestly with my Alts I don't mind owning an FC room or just an apartment, they're a character I don't use too often so they don't need a house or a garden, (Our FC doesn't allow everyone to access the garden for planting and the like depending on if the FC needs cross breeding mats for our Omni crafter to use.) after all, they're just strictly for RP and me to take a walk down memory lane through the story when I'm feeling nostalgic. Their FC rooms or apartments are strictly set up for RP or in most cases of the FC rooms it either becomes a crafting station or a room I donated to the FC as a space for the roleplayers to RP as an extension of the FC house. Think of it as a small room with spaces for like a library added on just in the next room if the FC main house is set up different and doesn't offer a library.

I can agree with Gardens needing to be upped to three plots per property, that would also probably curb the fighting for larger plots if even smalls were equal opportunity. Also all houses should be able to have the same amount of merchants in them too, (I.E: Mender, Item seller, person that sells the dark matters/dyes) I don't know if this has been changed, but it would be beneficial to a personal or an FC plot depending on what they were doing.

As far as the players with multiples being grandfathered in, and not being able to own anymore houses; this I can agree with but would like to make an addition of SE making it so that out of all the plots they own, they can only choose one house to keep and share with their alts. The other houses they owned (after they choose the one they want to keep) will have to be relinquished and where as I don't think they should get anything back for said plots, it may be in SE's best interest to at least reimburse them for what they had to relinquish. This would work if the 1 personal house per account or per account, per server was implemented. And then if they implemted the other idea of being able to upgrade any plot to a bigger one via a revamp of the yards, this would potentially work well.

I also agree to the x amount of time after relinqushing before ability to buy becomes available and that Free companies should at least have the minimum of 4-5 at best since it takes at least 4 to even start an FC to be able to buy a house for their FC.

I would also like to add that tenants on personal houses should be able to reset the demolish timer.

This is all I can think of atm, I may have missed something.

I am just going to lay this here still:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Current-Wards

FC should purchase their own ward for very good reason. People can say otherwise, but from this link - I still think this would be very safe to say everyone will get something out of their housing.