The arrogance of some people

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Again, it depends on the circumstances. The 20% mitigaiton isn't going to be put to good use by the healer if they're going to cure me the moment my hp drops by 5%; they're already overhealing the hell out of me so I might as well work around that and get off an extra decimate during my berserk. Don't take what I said out of context; I'm not going to use vengence for dpsing if I know I have an upcoming tank buster or drainage tether, and I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to use it for dps on a lvl 60 dungeon boss if the healer can't keep up.

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Yes, I understand. I also hate it when I'm being heal spammed and it makes me wonder why I use my cooldowns when such things occur, but I also don't give lazy healers a reason to be correct. This is how I see it, at least: in order to triple decimate, you're using berserk and bloodbath and internal release, raw intuition, vengeance, and infuriate. When you're done with your 3 decimates and monsters are still up, you've used up all your preemptve defensive abilities and now your healer will have no choice but to heal you more frequently.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Not the first to say that. I don't find DPS as a healer fun. I've fallen asleep during runs when all I do is DPS. The only reason I bother running on my healer anyway is when I'm bored with my main class and delude myself intothinking iit's a change of pace.

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Any class in this game can be summed up in "do this and that, repeat 2000x", good DPSs will have some priorities like keeping dots and debuffs up, but thats about it, everyone will keep repeating over and over.

If you don't like it, if you find more entertaining to watch a youtube video than help your party members, you probably should quit, otherwise you are just being selfish, and probably has some sort of serious addiction to keep playing something that you don't like.

Wow, harsh! I love playing as a warrior or ninja in this game. Just because I don't enjoy the healer meta doesn't mean I don't enjoy the game. Sometimes I just want a break from being a bloodthirsty monster. o3o

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Wow, harsh! I love playing as a warrior or ninja in this game. Just because I don't enjoy the healer meta doesn't mean I don't enjoy the game. Sometimes I just want a break from being a bloodthirsty monster. o3o

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Not harsh, I just don't understand why you log in the game and que for a dungeon with 3 other players just to watch youtube and netflix. To me this is really selfish, idk, just my opinion. Ninja "rotation" (priorities) is even more boring.

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Originally Posted by Eothas

Not harsh, I just don't understand why you log in the game and que for a dungeon with 3 other players just to watch youtube and netflix. To me this is really selfish, idk, just my opinion. Ninja "rotation" (priorities) is even more boring.

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They really need to add some procs to Ninja, or do something interesting with it. My "rotation" has become so ingrained into my memory that I can let my mind wander elsewhere and put almost the same numbers. It's not even intentional, when the content is incredibly easy that it makes you fall asleep, and then the same is said for your rotation it becomes a boring experience. Too bad it's the only DPS Job that uses swords, and the only fast melee that doesn't have to bother with positionals (I don't consider positionals challenging in dungeons, just a chore).

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Originally Posted by Eothas

Not harsh, I just don't understand why you log in the game and que for a dungeon with 3 other players just to watch youtube and netflix. To me this is really selfish, idk, just my opinion. Ninja "rotation" (priorities) is even more boring.

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There's a difference between feeling 'forced' to do something, (DPS as a healer), and doing something because you enjoy it (maxing dps as ninja or Warrior). When I DPS as a healer, I don't consider it helping the group. I consider it carrying DPS that are so bad I have to throw out damage to kill things quickly. What I'd rather be doing is dealing with stricter healing checks. As a Warrior or ninja? It's what I signed up for.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

When I DPS as a healer, I don't consider it helping the group. I consider it carrying DPS that are so bad I have to throw out damage to kill things quickly.

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Group DPS does not have a cap. Your parties DPS could be the absolute best in the world and you throwing out a little DPS would still improve the dungeons speed.

Common misconception: Healer DPS doesn't do all that much.

As a SCH I can be right up there with the other DPS if I have a tank that's letting me be in cleric long enough to finish a full rotation by popping their cooldowns. If I can get off Bio II > Miasma > Bio > Aero + Bane in addition to my standard fast aoe damage Shadow Flare + Maisma II on every pull, our party may as well be 1 Tank x 1 Healer x 3 DPS. Tell me how that is not better.

And to say that "Healer DPS is boring gameplay, I'll go play a DPS class instead because that's so different and what an improvement"? Just...what? How does that even make sense?

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

There's a difference between feeling 'forced' to do something, (DPS as a healer), and doing something because you enjoy it (maxing dps as ninja or Warrior). When I DPS as a healer, I don't consider it helping the group. I consider it carrying DPS that are so bad I have to throw out damage to kill things quickly. What I'd rather be doing is dealing with stricter healing checks. As a Warrior or ninja? It's what I signed up for.

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Please, this is not what we were talking about in the first place, and even then you are wrong, there is no hard cap for DPS, this already have been discussed a few pages back, you can go there and read.


You said in post #481 that healer "rotation" is boring because you have to repeat it "ad infinitum", and what about ninja? You have to repeat it and have NOTHING ELSE TO DO, as a healer I at least have other things to take care off, specially if I'm DPSing at the same time. And even if it were truly boring, it would still be selfish of your part to not help and watch Netflix, its really a disrespect with your party members. Should I queue for diadem and stay AFK looting? Just because I find it boring? ZzZzZzZ

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

Group DPS does not have a cap. Your parties DPS could be the absolute best in the world and you throwing out a little DPS would still improve the dungeons speed.

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If they can't reach that speed without my help its still carrying. It's not as massive a carry, but it's still one.