[Rumor] FFvsXIII team moved on FFXIV + Release date in...!

Release Date for ARR always told not before April/May 2013... January/February only Beta.
July instead of Spring not so far away. We can still play with FFXI :p

Spoiler: ARR takes place 5 years in the future. That means it will be released 5 years after 1.0 goes down. :P

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Originally Posted by Corleone

8 months... wow... if that's accurate then I hope they have an amazing plan to keep current/old players interested until launch. If they don't, I can see a ton of people forgetting this game even exists after being away for almost a full year.

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You should realize by now current players aren't SE's target for ARR. We just get the benefit of no data wipe. They're not remaking this MMO for less than 17k people based on the stats the JP players are keeping track of.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

I'm confused.

We just had the "last" game save. Dalamuds' impact is in 9 days. Now we won't see 2.0 for 6 months.

Are we gonna be spending the next 6 months wandering around a burned out wasteland ?

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I was under the impression (I can't quite remember where I got this impression, though) that it isn't 6-months real-time in game but rather several years in the future, and that we're being awoken from some sort of slumber.

I could be entirely wrong. Again I don't recall where I got that impression. I do recall one of the promo videos, specifically the one we did for the voice-over contest, talking about the bravest among us being "spared" -- that doesn't suggest we survived by freak accident, though I'm not sure how the survival happens in specific.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

I'm confused.

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That would be because you're believing an unsubstantiated and unrealistic rumor coming from a random "source" that holds no credibility whatsoever, and drummed on by FUDmongers that hold even less credibility.

I'm not surprised you're confused.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That would be because you're believing an unsubstantiated and unrealistic rumor coming from a random "source" that holds no credibility whatsoever, and drummed on by FUDmongers that hold even less credibility.

I'm not surprised you're confused.

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I'm surprised you're not in the hospital with all the blood vessels you must be bursting over something you read on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'm surprised you're not in the hospital with all the blood vessels you must be bursting over something you read on the internet.

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I'm not the one on forums 24/7 to desperately try and spread FUD on a game.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I'm not the one on forums 24/7 to desperately try and spread FUD on a game.

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That would insinuate that someone on the forums started the rumor.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That would be because you're believing an unsubstantiated and unrealistic rumor coming from a random "source" that holds no credibility whatsoever, and drummed on by FUDmongers that hold even less credibility.

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You know what's worse than the FUDmongers? The people constantly talking about the FUDmongers. Look, to be quite honest, I don't think the supposed "FUDmongers" are what you think they are. I think they are just people who are being cautiously pessimistic for a reason.

Optimism: Prepare for the best, but be constantly disappointed when things comes up short.
Pessimism: Prepare for the worst, and perhaps be pleasantly surprised by reality on a frequent basis.

I'm typically cautiously pessimistic, so I get where people are coming from when they talk about longer time-frames. I'd personally rather assume the game is coming out in July 2013 and have it arrive in March, but at least if it doesn't arrive until later, I'm not terribly disappointed.

Realistic expectations.

Breladine, don't bring rationalism in here, people may get the wrong idea it's ok to not be on either side of the fence :3

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Breladine, don't bring rationalism in here.

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It never survives, it's true. ;)

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Originally Posted by Breladine

You know what's worse than the FUDmongers? The people constantly talking about the FUDmongers. Look, to be quite honest, I don't think the supposed "FUDmongers" are what you think they are. I think they are just people who are being cautiously pessimistic for a reason.

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You must not be very familiar with the history of this forum, and with the posting history of certain individuals that do absolutely nothing else than hating on the game and on its development team.

it's not surprising that they'd dive on this crapola like vultures trying their hardest to pump it up as fact.

As a matter of fact I don't have "expectations" on a release date, but as one that does the job he does, I learned to distinguish between an unsustantiated rumor with zero credibility and a source that can hold some.

This belongs to the first type.

Mods let it happen, it's gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You must not be very familiar with the history of this forum, and with the posting history of certain individuals that do absolutely nothing else than hating on the game and on its development team.

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She's been around long enough and been in enough of certain topics to see the difference and actually thinkinig rationally about things rather than...

ahem.

Throwing people into categories based on personal beliefs. You know, the "certain individuals" doesn't go around telling posters their opinions, thoughts, speculation or feelings are "unimportant" and "means nothing" oh! and "lack logical sense."

It's quite funny how the ones you claim as the "FUDmongers" are the ones you're usually attacking most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

She's been around long enough and been in enough of certain topics to see the difference and actually thinkinig rationally about things rather than...

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Someone that thinks rationally would know that a random pole with 173 followers on twitter isn't exactly a credible source.

Someone with any knowledge about game development would know that this rumor is as realistic as a green sky with yellow polka dots.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Someone that thinks rationally would know that a random pole with 173 followers on twitter isn't exactly a credible source.

Someone with any knowledge about game development would know that this rumor is as realistic as a green sky with yellow polka dots.

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Anyone with game development knowledge would know the the past decade development cost and time has nearly tripled and that it's pretty common for things to take awhile to get released as well as a company pulling departments together to push out something.

Subsidiaries are usually the ones that get brought into the main house for a project, the way SE is setup it just makes it sound worse than it actually is.

If they plan on having a terribally terribally long downtime before 2.0 launch... I hope they let everyone that was able to play in october into the Beta, and that data cross-over into launch.

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Originally Posted by Reika

If they plan on having a terribally terribally long downtime before 2.0 launch... I hope they let everyone that was able to play in october into the Beta, and that data cross-over into launch.

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They already said they'll merely try, not guarantee it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Anyone with game development knowledge would know the the past decade development cost and time has nearly tripled and that it's pretty common for things to take awhile to get released as well as a company pulling departments together to push out something.

Subsidiaries are usually the ones that get brought into the main house for a project, the way SE is setup it just makes it sound worse than it actually is.

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No one is disagreeing with you if delays happen. However, why you intend to further believe this false rumor is true from an uncreditable source is beyond me.

To many things contradict this July release date in my eyes.

1) No ANC at launch

2) A lot of stuff they are holding back for after the game releases/ too many things might not make it @ release.

3) Still not a creditable source or any popular websites has reported this as some news for FF 13vs cause anytime there is legit FF 13 news it usually pops up on some gaming website.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Anyone with game development knowledge would know the the past decade development cost and time has nearly tripled and that it's pretty common for things to take awhile to get released as well as a company pulling departments together to push out something.

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Development cost and time have nothing to do with it. The kind of professional figures required to develop a MMORPG and a single player action RPG are only partly overlapping. The idea that the whole FFvXIII team has been put to work on a MMORPG is ludicrous, because besides a few exceptions the only ones that would be able to transition seamlessly to the new game would be artists, sound designers, writers and the like.

The FFXIV team was never short on those, and it's ludicrous to argue that Square Enix just put everyone else in a limbo waiting for the project to resume.

Something of that scope would have reached the Japanese press (that has very strong contacts at SE) way before it reached a random pole on twitter.

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Are- Are you seriously taking what some random person on twitter, who claims to be with SE but has no substantial proof, as a credible source of information? It's certainly possible that it'll be released in July, but we really have no reason to believe it will.

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You didn't bother reading what I typed then. Again, I did NOT say what the source provided was factual information. The facts that I were talking about were that SE has not given us a release date for a reason, we don't have dates for how long alpha will last or when phases end or begin, and no date on the beta.

I haven't said that the source stated factual information. This is what I meant by "You won't see what you don't wanna see".

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Originally Posted by Psykotsu

You didn't bother reading what I typed then. Again, I did NOT say what the source provided was factual information. The facts that I were talking about were that SE has not given us a release date for a reason, we don't have dates for how long alpha will last or when phases end or begin, and no date on the beta.

I haven't said that the source stated factual information. This is what I meant by "You won't see what you don't wanna see".

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Alpha is 4 phases will last 4 weeks... beta starts after alpha those are not solid dates, but they are good time frames.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

They're no longer continuing development on 1.0 so they could end it whenever they please, the sooner the better as it's just bleeding money. If you read what it even says, they expected ARR sooner, but as many people and even media stated before, SE is being a bit too careful.

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Can you blame them though? Look how well 1.0's release went.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

No one is disagreeing with you if delays happen. However, why you intend to further believe this false rumor is true from an uncredible source is beyond me.

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I agree with the fact we never got a release date to begin with and we already know SE has a habit of delaying things. So to flatout deny the game being release later than people hoped is just being in denial. SE has went on record to state they'll release it when they feel it's ready, people are holding onto the Jan-March time frame dearly even though SE has never stated that was the launch time frame.

What if SE felt the game wouldn't be ready until the 3 year anniversary? I bet people will happily accept that date simply because SE stated it, despite the fact September =/= March.

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Originally Posted by Firon

2) A lot of stuff they are holding back for after the game releases/ too many things might not make it @ release.

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The game could release in 2014 and there's still stuff that won't make it in at release. Every MMO that releases stagger content updates and content at launch for a reason, it's not because they didn't make any/enough content, it's because it's being staggered to make patches more relevant beyond bug fixes.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Alpha is 4 phases will last 4 weeks... beta starts after alpha those are not solid dates, but they are good time frames.

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Can you show me where that was said? I haven't seen that information officially stated anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

2.0 is likely to loosely follow the same schedule as 1.0 alpha/beta/release.

We know open beta starts in Jan 2013, so how long was it from the start of beta until release for 1.0? That's going to give you a rough estimate. I don't think it was 6 months, it was 1 month, maybe 2?

I agree maybe July for PS3 version.

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Think it was a month between open beta and release. It's been 2 years so I might not remember it quite accurately anymore.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I agree with the fact we never got a release date to begin with and we already know SE has a habit of delaying things. So to flatout deny the game being release later than people hoped is just being in denial. SE has went on record to state they'll release it when they feel it's ready, people are holding onto the Jan-March time frame dearly even though SE has never stated that was the launch time frame.

What if SE felt the game wouldn't be ready until the 3 year anniversary? I bet people will happily accept that date simply because SE stated it, despite the fact September =/= March.




The game could release in 2014 and there's still stuff that won't make it in at release. Every MMO that releases stagger content updates and content at launch for a reason, it's not because they didn't make any/enough content, it's because it's being staggered to make patches more relevant beyond bug fixes.

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I don't think you read into what I said, I will repeat it one more time. In this topic, which is to clarify if some random rumor from an uncreditable source is valid. It clearly isn't, and you defend it saying it is when there is so many holes in the statement. Almost no one agrees with you that this is valid.

On the topic of delays. I don't know where your arguments come up here. I don't know if a delay will happen as much as you do, but the only thing that can be said about it is that "It is possible".

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I agree with the fact we never got a release date to begin with and we already know SE has a habit of delaying things. So to flatout deny the game being release later than people hoped is just being in denial. SE has went on record to state they'll release it when they feel it's ready, people are holding onto the Jan-March time frame dearly even though SE has never stated that was the launch time frame.

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These are the facts here.

all links on first post broke, there any others?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I agree with the fact we never got a release date to begin with and we already know SE has a habit of delaying things. So to flatout deny the game being release later than people hoped is just being in denial. SE has went on record to state they'll release it when they feel it's ready, people are holding onto the Jan-March time frame dearly even though SE has never stated that was the launch time frame.

No one is denying a delay people just don't believe this source, they are adding more people but are taking longer.

What if SE felt the game wouldn't be ready until the 3 year anniversary? I bet people will happily accept that date simply because SE stated it, despite the fact September =/= March.




The game could release in 2014 and there's still stuff that won't make it in at release. Every MMO that releases stagger content updates and content at launch for a reason, it's not because they didn't make any/enough content, it's because it's being staggered to make patches more relevant beyond bug fixes.

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Things are left out all the time but i still don't see how them not release a job for a class does not scream they are trying to get this game out as early as possible. If this game is down till july a lot of people will forget about it.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

On the topic of delays. I don't know where your arguments come up here. I don't know if a delay will happen as much as you do, but the only thing that can be said about it is that "It is possible".

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http://www.square-enix.com/eng/news/...20611_01en.pdf

http://www.rpgsite.net/articles/397-...oper-interview

So, how can XIV affect other projects for SE if..it's just "the XIV team" working on it and no one else in SE is bothering with it? Resources being moved to XIV also includes team members. Even outsourcing work could mean they put work loads on other teams that are within SE's subsidiaries.

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Originally Posted by viion

all links on first post broke, there any others?

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Can look around a bit, since the twitter links were actually reposts to begin with.

want to know wahet the release date is well when se feels it meets their expectations and is decent enough to release i have another game to pass the the time one thing i noticed with arr is most of you want it now like yesterday or if they dont youll quit playing ff14 well then please do heck they can delay it till q4 2014 is they want to and it be a better 14 so if they rushed this then it will be 14 version 1 all over again and most of us dont want that again

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Originally Posted by Firon

Things are left out all the time but i still don't see how them not release a job for a class does not scream they are trying to get this game out as early as possible. If this game is down till july a lot of people will forget about it.

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The people who forget about it will be alot less than the new people it will bring in at the time. And because everyone just seems so attached to their characters and friendships in this game, the people who will actually forget about the game is quite small.

People who say they will forget won't. It's just their way of venting and hoping that their words will hurt SE.

I mean look, people are still holding on to vsXIII.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

http://www.square-enix.com/eng/news/...20611_01en.pdf

http://www.rpgsite.net/articles/397-...oper-interview

So, how can XIV affect other projects for SE if..it's just "the XIV team" working on it and no one else in SE is bothering with it? Resources being moved to XIV also includes team members. Even outsourcing work could mean they put work loads on other teams that are within SE's subsidiaries.



Can look around a bit, since the twitter links were actually reposts to begin with.

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none of those links says we are adding more people but are also delaying the game further.

FFXI is as terrible as the discussion over a validity of this rumour.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

None. As you said it yourself, the letter has to be cleared by the marketing team. Do you think they would let him smuggle some screenshots in it? Or kept it online if he tried? It's just a marketing trick.

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yep it been a marking trick sense the live show when he like let me show some pic and then someone outside was getting mad lol.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

So, how can XIV affect other projects for SE if..it's just "the XIV team" working on it and no one else in SE is bothering with it? Resources being moved to XIV also includes team members. Even outsourcing work could mean they put work loads on other teams that are within SE's subsidiaries.

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Too bad that all the interested parties went officially on record stating that work on FFvXIII is continuing. Ooops.

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Originally Posted by dragorian

want to know wahet the release date is well when se feels it meets their expectations and is decent enough to release i have another game to pass the the time one thing i noticed with arr is most of you want it now like yesterday or if they dont youll quit playing ff14 well then please do heck they can delay it till q4 2014 is they want to and it be a better 14 so if they rushed this then it will be 14 version 1 all over again and most of us dont want that again

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WOW, punctuation man, hate to be the grammar dude, but my god!

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Originally Posted by Firon

none of those links says we are adding more people but are also delaying the game further.

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Except the rumor also stated people were moved from other teams onto XIV.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Too bad that all the interested parties went officially on record stating that work on FFvXIII is continuing. Ooops.

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Too bad there's a difference between cancelling a project and something being affected. Oops. I also don't recall stating something was scrapped or stopped because of the move. Oops.