New Variant Dungeon: Reward structure is a downgrade from previous ones.

Let’s be honest even if the devs dump it because of said complaints it’s still not the complainers fault because everyone has been crystal clear about the nature of the complaints

Not saying anyone here is doing it but people do have a habit of blaming complainers when content is dumped when it’s obvious square is either blind or lazy

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Originally Posted by Laerune

This content needs Trusts aswell, otherwise it will die and players that want to clear them next year, will not be able to do it (unless they solo it)

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It really doesn't, exactly because you can solo it. Even advanced only needs two people to deal with every mechanic.

If you're trying to do the 12 different routes achievements it's arguably better to do it solo than with random matchmaking.

It would just be nice to add trust I even thought the NPC who goes with you could have joined in the fighting it would have made it a little more interesting. I love the trust system I love FFXI and as someone has already stated they are updating their trusts.

FFXIV has been around for a long time now I have been here for 16 years so it is not a bright shiny new game anymore and old content would be more accessible for newer players and those who like myself enjoy the company of NPCs . It would do no harm. The trust system could be expanded on with other NPC's you have met.

I will however get back on topic and say that FFXIV has become lazy in its rewards. If you do savage then you should be rewarded but if you do mid core like myself you should also be rewarded and so on.

Tomes and fireworks are bad. I do my Island sanctuary and yes some of the rewards where really great but then nothing and I do my farm then open a loot box it is a firework, materia stairs. I have opened so many GC boxes and again it is the same old crap.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Let’s be honest even if the devs dump it because of said complaints it’s still not the complainers fault because everyone has been crystal clear about the nature of the complaints

Not saying anyone here is doing it but people do have a habit of blaming complainers when content is dumped when it’s obvious square is either blind or lazy

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Sure, I just think it's worth pointing out that this is a pattern with the devs. Players complain about one aspect of a New Thing and the devs take that as the players not liking that entire Thing at all so they just stop doing it (until a couple of expansions later when players have spent years asking "What happened to That Thing?"). I can see why some have that impression, but I'm not sure I'd call it a case of the devs being lazy or blind as much as just taking any slight criticism or complaint as the players actively waging war against them on that subject. There's no nuance or actual understanding of what the players are criticizing (take the consistent and very well explained complaints about healing in the game for example), it's just taken as The Players Hate This So Lets Not Do It.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Sure, I just think it's worth pointing out that this is a pattern with the devs. Players complain about one aspect of a New Thing and the devs take that as the players not liking that entire Thing at all so they just stop doing it (until a couple of expansions later when players have spent years asking "What happened to That Thing?"). I can see why some have that impression, but I'm not sure I'd call it a case of the devs being lazy or blind as much as just taking any slight criticism or complaint as the players actively waging war against them on that subject. There's no nuance or actual understanding of what the players are criticizing (take the consistent and very well explained complaints about healing in the game for example), it's just taken as The Players Hate This So Lets Not Do It.

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Variant dungeon 1 gets released, with a mount as reward.
Variant dungeon 2 gets released, with a mount as reward.
Variant dungeon 3 gets released, with a mount as reward.
Variant dungeon 4 gets released, with an effing facemask as reward.

SE does not need communication super powers to find out what the players don't like about that. Personally I'm wondering how that ever went live - they love their formulas so much, so why deviate from a precedent the players already got used to?

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

Variant dungeon 1 gets released, with a mount as reward.
Variant dungeon 2 gets released, with a mount as reward.
Variant dungeon 3 gets released, with a mount as reward.
Variant dungeon 4 gets released, with an effing facemask as reward.

SE does not need communication super powers to find out what the players don't like about that. Personally I'm wondering how that ever went live - they love their formulas so much, so why deviate from a precedent the players already got used to?

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They've been trying to draw people into higher-difficulty content for a while but have started trying much harder in DT. This is just their latest attempt, which is presumably also why the Aloalo savage weapons are available through it.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

They've been trying to draw people into higher-difficulty content for a while but have started trying much harder in DT. This is just their latest attempt, which is presumably also why the Aloalo savage weapons are available through it.

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I hope this latest attempt works out--it's a really nice stepping stone difficulty, and I've already seen people in Party Finder say they had fun with it and they'll give Extremes a try because of it.

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

They couldn't create a third mount to give each difficulty a decent reward? The sleeping mask is treasure map consolation-prize tier.

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I think it's more they're desperately trying to create another collectable because they're running out of ideas for mounts and minions. The problem is, people just aren't nearly as excited about umbrellas or eyewear. They just need to accept fashion accessories are never going to be as desirable a chase item.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I think it's more they're desperately trying to create another collectable because they're running out of ideas for mounts and minions. The problem is, people just aren't nearly as excited about umbrellas or eyewear. They just need to accept fashion accessories are never going to be as desirable a chase item.

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It doesn't have to be a mount, I think a glam item could work fine as the reward, as long as it actually ties in to the content. How about the Swordmaster's outfit? The problem as I see it is they took the mount from Variant and gave it to Advanced without any plan to replace it. And the carpet mount appears to be a recolor of a Mogstation mount to begin with. Rig up a 2-seat version of that for Advanced instead. Anything.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

They've been trying to draw people into higher-difficulty content for a while but have started trying much harder in DT. This is just their latest attempt, which is presumably also why the Aloalo savage weapons are available through it.

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Which doesn't seem to be going too well for them, tbh. I don't know why they can't accept that some people just don't want to do high end content. I sure hope it's not because SE hopes it means they'd have to spend less time making content that isn't raids.

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Originally Posted by Ankhira

Which doesn't seem to be going too well for them, tbh. I don't know why they can't accept that some people just don't want to do high end content. I sure hope it's not because SE hopes it means they'd have to spend less time making content that isn't raids.

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After an entire expansion of trying it, you'd have thought they would... Take a hint.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

They've been trying to draw people into higher-difficulty content for a while but have started trying much harder in DT. This is just their latest attempt, which is presumably also why the Aloalo savage weapons are available through it.

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Personally I don't enjoy normal trials and raids, so I don't think I would enjoy higher difficulties.
No matter how big they make the carrot, I'm not going to bite. It's a game, why waste my time with something I don't enjoy?
But if SE really wants to show the casuals the door, it'll be interesting to see how that works out for them.

They just dont care anymore.. and like I said before if 8.0 dont bring major changes then this game is cooked

I honestly miss well structured questline designs that offer meaningful rewards. A dynamic progression with occasional random events and multiple systems to make you feel you've accomplished something.

What I dislike is when rewards are locked behind repetitive tasks where you just grind low effort content over and over again, like "kill X monsters" or "repeat this activity 30 times" or "complete the harder version".

A complex system or amount of content isn't a problem if the design behind it is actually engaging. Unfortunately, for years now it often feels like the effort is just padded with repetitive tasks instead of interesting gameplay. And I feel like the current reward structure is part of the problem.
As an endgame raider, I can fully agree with all points in this thread. What a bummer...