Please Share Updates on 8.0 Job Design

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

I still remember how memed on SCH got in the EW job preview where nobody could tell what they got except what looked like a sprint.

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As an example of 'animations sell the class/job fantasy', we got Glare 4 this expansion, 3 uses of a strong hitting instantcast spell per 2mins.

But imagine if instead it was Tornado, Flood and Quake as each of the 3 hits. I would expect that, 'more twinkly lights' wouldn't have as much 'impact' in the player's minds during the reveal, as 'you get some of the long-lost Elemental aspect of the Job's identity again, also it hits like a truck because it's the 'ultimate' spell of that element'. Each of the three spells would also, due to being seperate actions (instead of Glare 4, 3 times), would be able to have slightly different effects. For example, Tornado could deal part of its damage as a DOT (and because it's AOE, this means being able to DOT a pack of mobs in a dungeon)

People were very excited for SGE when it was revealed, precisely for this reason. They saw Pneuma, it's a big fat laser that has a chargeup time, and we got excited cos it looks like it hits hard and that's cool. Turns out it hits hard with green numbers, but the point stands

As for AST versions, probably the one I wrote, no bias here no sir

If not that, then probably HW AST, but specifically 3.2's version. The 3.4 version was far too strong

If we are getting some sort of horizontal skill system, having some horizontal cosmetic options could be nice as well, and the least they could do for white mage would be allow you to choose between earth/wind/water or light/light/light animations. Maybe drop Stone II at level 16 so the Stone I animation can see actual content, and just adjust potencies. You have Stone 1 till level 54, Stone II till level 64, then you can pivot to Glare or Stone III at level 72, and finally Glare III or Stone IV at level 82, as an example.

Of course, actual gameplay would be appreciated with a new progression system as is the bigger focus of the thread, but why not both?

It would be kind of cool if they incorporated the 'job system changes' into the story/lore like something happens that causes all soul crystals to evolve somehow.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

It would be kind of cool if they incorporated the 'job system changes' into the story/lore like something happens that causes all soul crystals to evolve somehow.

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If they hadn't rushed ahead and done EW so soon, I think this would be very easy to write around. As far as I've heard, they were going to do an expansion between SHB/EW focused on Garlemald. Which would have been cool, cos then Anima could have been the final boss of the expansion instead of a dungeon boss (and the reveal as to what Anima 'is' would be a great pre-final fight reveal cutscene). Then, EW would have been level 100 and simultaneously ended the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc of the story.

If it were up to me, I'd have done that 'in between SHB/EW' expansion, so that Garlemald and the surrounding regions got to have the worldbuilding that they deserved. I'd then have had all of the reveals, media tour, Job Action Trailer etc. for Endwalker, all say that 'at the end of the story of the expansion, you'll be level 99. Some older FF games, the level cap was 99, some it was 100. We decided on 99, because we're big fans of FF5 and in that game, the cap was 99'. But, for the final fight, due to the power of Dynamis, you'd reach level 100 and gain access to the level 100 action (as a Duty Action), a completely new move that was never revealed, and nobody outside of the dev team even knew was in the game. Warriors learning they've got Primal Rend, Samurai learning they have Ogi Namikiri, etc, and being able to throw them out every, say, 20s because it's a Duty Action. And each time one of the Scions chimes in with their motivational 'power of the indomitable human spirit' speech, rather than a mere damage up buff, I'd have it give you more and more levels. Level 105, 100, 110, 120, 150, and the player's damage numbers getting higher and higher, until we're hitting truly absurd numbers. Fell Cleaves and Midare's hitting for literal millions. And after the credits roll and you get to play the post-story part of the game, you'd return to level 99 (to avoid spoiling other players on the twist), but retain the level 100 skill as part of your kit, albeit in its current, more 'limited' form. The power of Dynamis let you spam it in the final fight, but in regular combat, that'd take too much of a toll

Which is to say, after the events of Endwalker, they'd be able to say 'ah yes due to the exposure to the pure Dynamis in the last battle, the Aether of the Soul Crystal has warped, and certain limits can be broken, which in gameplay terms means that you can choose to 'break the limits' on some of your actions and empower them with shorter cooldowns, stronger power, or even completely new bonus effects'. Now we've got Dawntrail, so I guess maybe they could use 'Solution9/Alexandria's research into souls' as the narrative device in place of 'Dynamis'

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

If we are getting some sort of horizontal skill system, having some horizontal cosmetic options could be nice as well, and the least they could do for white mage would be allow you to choose between earth/wind/water or light/light/light animations. Maybe drop Stone II at level 16 so the Stone I animation can see actual content, and just adjust potencies. You have Stone 1 till level 54, Stone II till level 64, then you can pivot to Glare or Stone III at level 72, and finally Glare III or Stone IV at level 82, as an example.

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This is pretty much 1:1 how I'd solve BLU's dilemma of people wanting to main it as a 'real job', while also preserving what makes BLU, BLU (the learning). Have a baseline kit of actions, and then make the learnable spells be alternative VFX that you can use, with their bonus effects being activated within Carnivale, or while Unsync. I went through the whole list of learnable actions for the Job ages ago, to try and categorize them into one of 24 categories, and found that like half of the spells fit into one of just FIVE categories: ST attack, circle around enemy attack, circle around player attack, cone AOE attack, line AOE attack. Being able to choose not only our Glamour, but our VFX theme to match it (eg a Fire themed BLU that uses lots of oranges/reds in their Glam, or a Tech BLU that uses Drill Cannons, Kaltstrahl, Perpetual Ray etc, with the new S9/Vanguard style gear), would provide players even more options for creativity

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Originally Posted by mallleable

It would be kind of cool if they incorporated the 'job system changes' into the story/lore like something happens that causes all soul crystals to evolve somehow.

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In reality, what we got was the opposite effect. They started out baking job kits into their lore with job quests and external media, but as they started reworking old jobs without a care in the world to try and preserve basic elements to their design, they stopped doing those things. But you still see those contradictions all over earlier content. Like how Arcanist is talking about an entirely different class to what you're playing, or how Astrologian references Nocturnal Sect.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

This is pretty much 1:1 how I'd solve BLU's dilemma of people wanting to main it as a 'real job', while also preserving what makes BLU, BLU (the learning). Have a baseline kit of actions, and then make the learnable spells be alternative VFX that you can use, with their bonus effects being activated within Carnivale, or while Unsync. I went through the whole list of learnable actions for the Job ages ago, to try and categorize them into one of 24 categories, and found that like half of the spells fit into one of just FIVE categories: ST attack, circle around enemy attack, circle around player attack, cone AOE attack, line AOE attack. Being able to choose not only our Glamour, but our VFX theme to match it (eg a Fire themed BLU that uses lots of oranges/reds in their Glam, or a Tech BLU that uses Drill Cannons, Kaltstrahl, Perpetual Ray etc, with the new S9/Vanguard style gear), would provide players even more options for creativity

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You have to get through battle no. 1 which is convincing them to care enough about blue mage in the first place to add a 'limited blue mage' standard job with a static kit that's balanced around standard gameplay.