People upvote for visibility, especially for polls. It's not just used as an "I agree" button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
How can we reopen the FF14 subreddit?
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06-20-2023, 08:41 AMChie_M
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06-20-2023, 09:01 AMEorzean_usernameI don't know what version of Reddit you've been using, but I have rarely ever seen human nature use that site as "I disagree with this, but will upvote it anyway for Visibility™".Quote:
Originally Posted by Chie_M
Nearly invariably Downvote = "I don't personally like this".
Also, "official" posts (like weekly stickies, etc) usually get barely any votes, because everyone can see it's stickied and from a mod and therefore feels it doesn't need their support or encouragement.
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Anyway, just to make clear: I am not saying that anyone was wrong for feeling irritated about being inconvenienced, or having your daily routine disrupted. That is a normal reaction.
Instead, I was trying to stress that the intended purpose — site-wide, not just on r/ffxiv — went far above and beyond characterisations of "petty power tripping", which I think is a grotesque oversimplification born out anger and frustration, rather than facts.
Reddit moderators are volunteer unpaid everyday people, so it's not surprising that they have many of the same flaws as other everyday people. I also personally think that r/ffxiv is poorly-moderated and a dumpster-fire of a subreddit. And I've been on the receiving end of obvious petty abuses of moderator power myself throughout my time using Reddit, so I'm well aware of the overall flaws in the system.
So I'm not trying to argue that moderators are ideal people who can do no wrong; I'm simply saying that in this specific case, the site-wide concerns were quite legitimate, and that there will very likely be long-term consequences to quality of information and functionality now that momentum is fizzling out and Reddit will clearly get its way with the changes.
I don't think most people understand just how much work the average volunteer moderator actually does in order to keep your favorite subreddit looking clean, presentable, and functioning — capitulating to their requests to retain access to tools that make their job "doable" is a request that frankly benefits everyone, not just them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyxs
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06-20-2023, 09:07 AMZephyrMenodoraThe thread with 11K upvotes wasn't even the voting thread. It was the announcement of the reddit issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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06-20-2023, 09:14 AMGTK0HLK
TLDR: People being people are not so used to inconvenience any longer..,
Too long in "Paradise".
So the foundations of its tolerability is gone with the changes.
Easily Reduced to Self Vs Self the majority are, blinded by the one guys words of Landed Gentry.
At the very least the one true lesson learned, is that information shouldn't be held only on reddit.
So any opportunistic Website Managers should get working on it.
As useful as Discords or Reddit Can be, it's ridiculous to be beholden to them, when they decide to Actually Hold Info and knowledge to themselves.
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06-20-2023, 11:23 AMZephyrMenodora
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...n_for_posting/
Looks like they fully reopened 20 minutes ago as it became quite clear that's what the users wanted.
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06-20-2023, 11:25 AManna-steele
i hate reddit. i hope it shuts down forever
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06-20-2023, 11:50 AMFawkesProbably the most depressing part of all this, and also people being mad about twitter, is that it seems like everyone else is terrified of having to pay for bandwidth or something and we're never going to have anything like the transition from myspace to facebook ever again, we're just stuck with the crappy social media we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTK0HLK
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06-20-2023, 11:55 AMRolder50This game desperately needs a wowhead or icy veins equivalent.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTK0HLK
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06-20-2023, 01:38 PMMsMisato
so people can now return to the daily 50k posts about miqote and aura lewd art followed by viera feet pics and sprinkled with some elezens art on reddit. got it.
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06-20-2023, 01:45 PMIscahI haven't been on Reddit for that long, but I've never seen the FFXIV sub looking anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MsMisato
Either it has cleaned itself up or this was never true.
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06-20-2023, 07:04 PMIvtrixIt’s ok with the coming api changes your going to soon see more postings for miquote onlyfans and exclusive back door golden saucer cactcoin crypto buy-in since the jannies will no longer have any method of containment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MsMisato
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06-20-2023, 09:28 PMDPZ2Hint: This game is already part of icy veins. Go look. https://www.icy-veins.com/ffxivQuote:
Originally Posted by Rolder50
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06-21-2023, 01:23 AMRolder50Didn't know that. Man comparing the guides for FF14 classes vs WoW classes is a laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPZ2
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06-21-2023, 01:28 AMRansu
icy veins covers a lot of games... though I advise caution in using them.
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06-21-2023, 01:36 AMMoshawasn't their huge drama with icy veins, graphics cards and the Balance (please excuse me I'm bringing this up from cold storage in my already damaged brain) something about the owner being unstable afQuote:
Originally Posted by Ransu
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06-21-2023, 03:47 AMICountFrom0The third party apps that reddit are shutting down are HOW they manage it, clean it up, and prevent you from seeing it in that kind of situation. Without them, it'll be overrun. But no, reddit says, "we'll release this as paid features, eventually" ... and then never does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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06-21-2023, 06:38 AMDzonathanI consider this a good lesson about relying on centralized structures.Quote:
Originally Posted by dansetal
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06-21-2023, 06:39 AMTheGrimace
I think it would be pretty funny if Reddit died. Not because I dislike the XIV reddit (I appreciate it), but because I dislike the CEO and want him to fail.
The internet will get some new forum system, and ideally one better than Reddit and its current iteration. I just wish it would happen faster. -
06-21-2023, 07:10 AMMoshawhy are Highlanders so based?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzonathan
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06-21-2023, 11:30 AMCanadane
Am I the only one that's never needed Reddit for finding information?
There's a number of decent wikis, SE has their own game database, and just general word of mouth. Not to mention almost everything changed is documented in patch notes, all of which are available to peruse.
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06-21-2023, 11:49 AMRanakuIf you have problems finding information and google is just giving you reddit results then this is more telling about you than anything else. The algorithm is learning from your behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by dansetal
That aside, i don't think a lvl 46 gladiator needs a guide to anything, lol. And if that is a forum alt then shame on you.
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06-21-2023, 11:52 AMDayHealerUsually yes, we couldnt need reddit to find in-game info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
But the truth is sometimes we need a specific info that the only way to find an answer is the Q&A format in google. The FFXIV forums (aka where we are now) could be the best place to be redirected to find such answers, but the fact that these forums are outdated beyond belief makes so the next viable alternative is Reddit. -
06-21-2023, 11:54 AMBoblawblahironically, real answers will be hidden underneath a bunch of reddit links that don't answer the question. It's like googling a question and all the top links are quora *shudder*Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane