I don't want to see any of the other Scions in 7.0.

While I think the scions as a group are getting very tiresome (I really liked 6.1 though), I would still like to see some of them actively in 7.0. Estinien is one of the best characters in the game, and I do not feel like he has overstayed his welcome yet. He brings the much needed stoicness, but also humor and great character growth. I also think G'raha deserves to establish himself as a character and find his place in the Source, instead of being stuck in Crystal Exarch's shadow and just being bossed around by Krile. Overall I'd take a few scions with me to our next adventure, but not operate as a group of scions. There's nothing really wrong with them as individual characters or paired off with some other characters, but scions AS A GROUP just isn't bringing anything interesting to the table.

But too bad for the OP, it has already been mentioned that Krile and Thancred will be getting more focus in the future. So.. we're not getting rid of the scions.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

But it's still horrible paced though. (●´ω｀●)ゞ
"Oh, we're going to let people think we disbanded and lay low for a bit."
4/7 of the main-battle Scions come back the next patch.

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That patch was about 3-4 months later. If we take that as the canonical time between the end of 6.0 and the start of 6.1 IN game, the WoL hasn't seen the other Scions in months.

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While I think the scions as a group are getting very tiresome (I really liked 6.1 though), I would still like to see some of them actively in 7.0. Estinien is one of the best characters in the game, and I do not feel like he has overstayed his welcome yet. He brings the much needed stoicness, but also humor and great character growth. I also think G'raha deserves to establish himself as a character and find his place in the Source, instead of being stuck in Crystal Exarch's shadow and just being bossed around by Krile. Overall I'd take a few scions with me to our next adventure, but not operate as a group of scions. There's nothing really wrong with them as individual characters or paired off with some other characters, but scions AS A GROUP just isn't bringing anything interesting to the table.

But too bad for the OP, it has already been mentioned that Krile and Thancred will be getting more focus in the future. So.. we're not getting rid of the scions.

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Krile is fine, she's so much of a plot device and forgettable (even in Eureka) that she's basically a new character to me.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

It doesn't help that she's been getting a lot of the cutesy fanservice bits (sleeping on a pile books, froth and foam, her interactions with Zero, etc.). (；´д｀)ゞ

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I actually liked those bits myself. She's always put together and we never see her uncertain or embarrassed. So I found catching her off guard rather enjoyable. It's similar for me to Urianger and the vulnerability he showed in the Endwalker questline. It made it feel to me that we had finally gone from just work friends to true friends and then to family.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That patch was about 3-4 months later. If we take that as the canonical time between the end of 6.0 and the start of 6.1 IN game, the WoL hasn't seen the other Scions in months.

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Personally, even taking that into consideration, it didn't feel like enough time to me. I would of preferred at least until 8.0 to have to deal with so many main-Scions. (*≧▽≦)ﾉｼ))

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I actually liked those bits myself. She's always put together and we never see her uncertain or embarrassed. So I found catching her off guard rather enjoyable. It's similar for me to Urianger and the vulnerability he showed in the Endwalker questline. It made it feel to me that we had finally gone from just work friends to true friends and then to family.

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When I first saw them, I was hoping it was them showing her eventual downfall into joining Golbez. (◍´͈ꈊ`͈◍)
Us finding her sleeping on a pile of books shows us her thirst for knowledge, Froth and Foam shows us she's willing to humiliate herself if it will help sate it, she had to stop herself from going off in the restricted section of the library, she strongarms the leader of a nation to start a potentially dangerous expedition into the void because of her curiosity and wanting to get back to the First to study it more, etc.

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That patch was about 3-4 months later. If we take that as the canonical time between the end of 6.0 and the start of 6.1 IN game, the WoL hasn't seen the other Scions in months.

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If the amount of time it took for a patch to release was actually canonical to the game, Alphinaud and Alisaie would have already hit their growth spurts by now.

many people would like to see no trolls in 7.0, but I think most of us are mature enough and realistic enough to understand this is unlikely.

same with the scions

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many people would like to see no trolls in 7.0, but I think most of us are mature enough and realistic enough to understand this is unlikely.

same with the scions

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L take, don't act like you're not looking forward to Arenvald's training arc with THE BULL OF ALA MHIGO to regain the use of his legs and become a formidable rival and valuable ally.

i don't mind the scions but i will say i was pretty pissed off that they made it seem like we were done with them and the literally next patch was like "LMAO PSYCH"
i don't mind having them come back as individuals rather than a whole like... yeah it makes sense y'shtola would be interested in opening a gate to the void. that's fine. but it was like oh, uh. so we're all basically here huh.

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L take, don't act like you're not looking forward to Arenvald's training arc with THE BULL OF ALA MHIGO to regain the use of his legs and become a formidable rival and valuable ally.

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dont get me wrong, I was meaning more fewer trolls on the forum =p

whatever SE decides to do for 7.0. scions or not, doesnt matter to me as long as I still enjoy parts of it.

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i don't mind the scions but i will say i was pretty pissed off that they made it seem like we were done with them and the literally next patch was like "LMAO PSYCH"
i don't mind having them come back as individuals rather than a whole like... yeah it makes sense y'shtola would be interested in opening a gate to the void. that's fine. but it was like oh, uh. so we're all basically here huh.

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Lowkey wished it was Hoary and Coultenet we ran into at the markets in Thavnair considering they'd been there before with F'lahminn after the Bloody Banquet.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it being Estinien we meet consodering he's thenewest member of the Scions but the OGs need some love too.

Estinien and Gaius buddy cop expansion
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Going to be real though if I knew what the Crystal Exarch would become I would of shot him myself.

As have said, I don't really mind having someone from the Scions accompany me if it makes sense for them to do so. Again, I take no issue whatsoever with Estinien accompanying us in the current content as we're acting on behalf of a dragon in an attempt to rescue said dragon's sister.

What Estinien's ponytail could have looked like:

https://i.imgur.com/6N4c9BK.png

The impression he actually gives with it:

https://ath2.unileverservices.com/wp...utterstock.jpg

I'm so sick of the amount of men who are made to look so feminine in this game. His ponytail belongs on a librarian, not a Dragoon. Not to mention that it ruined his iconic look. I don't want ponytail Estinien spouting Alphinaud's same Scion propaganda and the "themes" at me, I want actual Estinien back.

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If the amount of time it took for a patch to release was actually canonical to the game, Alphinaud and Alisaie would have already hit their growth spurts by now.

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A tall Alphinaud is the LAST thing I want in the game.

At least he's easy to ignore when he's tiny.

I think it would be good if 7.0 is more of a fresh start with fewer Scions the better. I think Yoship said we will get more Krile, and that would be good because I have disliked how underused she has been since her introduction. My hope is that Zero is the 'link' between 6.x and the expansion, as I love her character, and I expect if we are going to go to the land of Dragons Estinien will come along for the ride. Outside of that, it will depend on just how much of a fresh start 7.0 is.

I do think its still worth having the Scions around in the games world. There are still stories that benefit with their involvement, even if its just side content. I am one of those glad they did not just kill them off in EW haha.

Awwwwww Ponystinien is just too cute :3
https://cdn.donmai.us/original/4e/2c...ca3100e720.png

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Awwwwww Ponystinien is just too cute :3
https://cdn.donmai.us/original/4e/2c...ca3100e720.png

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Damn it Sassy those kind of pics are "illegal" you know.

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Damn it Sassy those kind of pics are "illegal" you know.

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Was it too much shoulder? I might be able to find some ankles if you guys are feeling extra saucy :3

I just got what you meant xD yup, might be a shame if there were more pony pics incoming.

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Was it too much shoulder? I might be able to find some ankles if you guys are feeling extra saucy :3

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I'm not really a feet/ankle person. And ah um maybe... though the slow undoing of said pony tail might be a bit much for some. Not me of course. *coughs* I'm sure there are those who are into ankles though.

You will never feel the touch of Estinien's toned thighs, chiseled from countless years of jumping, around your neck and crushing your windpipe.

Why even live?

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You will never feel the touch of Estinien's toned thighs, chiseled from countless years of jumping, around your neck and crushing your windpipe.

Why even live?

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I was hoping it would be the other way around

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I'm not really a feet/ankle person. And ah um maybe... though the slow undoing of said pony tail might be a bit much for some. Not me of course. *coughs* I'm sure there are those who are into ankles though.

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For me neither ;)
Look what I found when trying to lookup more pictures of Estinien undoing his ponytail
https://media.tenor.com/kt_zeeC9oDcA...ien-roblox.gif

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I was hoping it would be the other way around


For me neither ;)
Look what I found when trying to lookup more pictures of Estinien undoing his ponytail
https://media.tenor.com/kt_zeeC9oDcA...ien-roblox.gif

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Why did someone make a fake things Estinien says picture? We all know that it should be mmmm squid.

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Look what I found when trying to lookup more pictures of Estinien undoing his ponytail
https://media.tenor.com/kt_zeeC9oDcA...ien-roblox.gif

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If 7.0 does not have him and G'ra sharing a burger meal I will RIOT.

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If 7.0 does not have him and G'ra sharing a burger meal I will RIOT.

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Burgers and coffee with one foot on a rail. His pony tail with the 10k hair tie being blown back by the wind in tight leather pants.

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Why did someone make a fake things Estinien says picture? We all know that it should be mmmm squid.

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Maybe he wanted to broaden his horizons a bit D; probably share the gummy bear sausage?

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If 7.0 does not have him and G'ra sharing a burger meal I will RIOT.

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Burgers and coffee with one foot on a rail. His pony tail with the 10k hair tie being blown back by the wind in tight leather pants.

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Please I can only take so much
https://media.tenor.com/18ti4DvcApUA...weat-ffxiv.gif

So we're all talking about Estinien are we?

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So we're all talking about Estinien are we?

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He's a fine mess I'd like to clean up

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He's a fine mess I'd like to clean up

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Take a number please and wait your turn.

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Not me coming back to this thread for more Estinien gems you all find

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Not me coming back to this thread for more Estinien gems you all find

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Of course not...;)
https://media.tenor.com/AYy9LiySX-MA...v-estinien.gif

To be honest as much as i like most of the scions, quite a few of them overstayed their welcome.

I can say that most if not all of the scions reached a point where their character arc is over and not much character development can be done anymore after Endwalker.
For example Urianger, Thancred, the twins and Estinien is all but done.
Y'shtola still has some potential but imo she is just kept around forever for fanservice.
The ending was a perfect opportunity to get rid of them at least for a while to make a glorious return 1 or 2 expansions later for memberberries.

It feels like the devs know that at some point they have to retire them and they are preparing for it for a while now but holy hell they need to pull the trigger already.

As an example for replacement, i am 100% convinced that Ryne is at some point going to take Thancreds place as the tank. When she "inherited" his gunblade and even used it in Eden once, that was pretty much a confirmation. I would be very happy with her and Gaia as members of our group of misfits exploring other shards and saving worlds. I would like Mikoto as well.

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Take a number please and wait your turn.

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What rot, everyone knows each Warrior of Light has their own separate dimension filled with their own separate Estinien. That comes from the Estinien Dimension. An eldritch demiplane chock-full of meandering, mindless Estiniens that wander till it's their time to be summoned to yet another new Warrior of Light's Source.

It's really sad that from what we know about DT, we're just going to see the same old Scions again.

Why exactly are Alphinaud and Alisaie joining us? They've completed their character arcs. They've grown from pompous nepo children with manservants attending their every wishes to getting a humble pie and growing to become seasoned diplomats in their own rights. They could've found new meaning in becoming ambassadors to Garlemald from Sharlayan. Instead they tag along?

What even are Thancred and Urianger's motivations nowadays? Thancred has long since completed his arc in 5.0, in Shadowbringers. Urianger loafed about with the Lopporits and got much needed closure at the tail-end of 6.0 with the touching reunion, and completed his arc too. Why do we have two guys with nothing more to develop joining us?

Three quarters of the protagonists in this expansion have no room to expand as characters, not unless they want to massively retcon their personalities. What is the point of including them?

I was hoping EW would be the last we see of those characters... Knowing they're joining us for DT as well is just too much - they have outstayed their welcome and I was praying for them to get replaced by a new group :\

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I differ here. I don't give a crap about "species representation". Who cares if we have some Viera traipsing along after us? I can tell you right now said Viera is going to be a tea-sipping academic aetherologist prepared for senate floor debates on water crystals and their effect on seabass biochemistry.

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This got a chuckle out of me, but it's true... The Scions are hypercompetent, and this many years in, it's really becomes rather dull.
I would like more scrubby characters to go on adventures with us. I want ugly, flawed perspectives on story events, I want dissent in the party. I understand that the latter is something we will see in DT, but it honestly feels like it'll be sanitized by the whole affair being a contest. I hope I'm wrong, but "we got hired by the other side so we're opponents, I guess" is just [to me] not as compelling writing as people fundamentally disagreeing on something and it causing some actual friction between the parties involved.

Sorry, kinda went on a tangent there. More on topic, I really do wish we formed a new group going forward. I've seen some people say they don't want their beloved Scions to go. They want to keep on going on adventures with their blorbos... Look, I get that it's cute seeing G'raha eat a taco or engage in whatever mundane activities but that is just... not interesting to me. Moreover, that is something that these characters can do while in the background. The Scions' arcs are, for the most part, done. I don't necessarily think they should be killed off or anything, but I would really rather see them step into the background and give some room to a new cast with fresh perspectives.

Keep the Scions, whatever. But PLEASE for the love of god. Stop using them as instant solutions for everything. This is why I hate Sharlayan too. "Oh we need something, let's go adventure and find it out and ask the locals-... Oh nevermind, Sharlayan knows it and built a device. Oh nevermind Y'shtola already figured it out. Oh nevermind Alphinaud already knows and is ordering us to go somewhere." At least give us more people to bounce off on and figure stuff out. If G'raha gives even ONE speech about wanting to go on an adventure with me with the Shadowbringers soundtrack on the backround I will hurl.

The top reason why most of the Scions are in the story is rather simple. They sell merch. Until we get more recognizable poster cast-members, they aren't going anywhere and they will force them into the narrative.

At they very least I'd like them to introduce a few people other we can call if the scions are busy or something

I mean how's Y'shtola ever going to figure croos world travle if the wol comes in witha new problem every 5 minutes

I don't mind the Scions being referenced or showing up for a "call to arms" moment when the stakes are high but, for the most part, I just want a new cast with new, interesting dynamics and internal conflict.

The Scions have all had their character arcs completed in Shadowbringers and Endwalker, as far as I'm concerned.

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What even are Thancred and Urianger's motivations nowadays? Thancred has long since completed his arc in 5.0, in Shadowbringers. Urianger loafed about with the Lopporits and got much needed closure at the tail-end of 6.0 with the touching reunion, and completed his arc too. Why do we have two guys with nothing more to develop joining us?

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IMO, they're there because of the trust system. They have to exist in perpetuity now or until they decide that the trust system can do a Galuf->Krile like in FF5 (basically Krile inherits Galuf's character level and job progress.) Realistically though, the twins need to be written out, either through a time skip or being put on a bus (metaphorically, they say they're going on their own adventure without you.) Urianger's story is mostly "done" but he still needs to be present to be the "commander data" of the group when Y'shola and Krile aren't present (eg side stories.)

Y'shtola is unlikely to ever be written out since Y'shtola represents FF14 in other media.

Thancred likewise is unlikely to be written out since it's HIS storyline that is the critical path we've been following since 1.0, effectively. If he wasn't in the 1.0 opening cutscene, the rest of 14 wouldn't be happening. No Minfilia, no F'lhaminn, no path of the 12, no Louisoix, No Scions. Likewise if Thancred didn't exist, the 2.0 story couldn't exist either. I'm sure from a writing/dev POV yes, they could have written out Thancred with the end of 2.0 MSQ, but they didn't.

That doesn't mean Y'shtola and Thancred can't be put on a bus for an expansion again like in HW. How I would write out all the scions for an expansion is to pull the "earth is groaning in pain" from FF6 where they are all on the same large airship when it breaks apart, you are pushed out first, and then you just see an explosion and pass out. Some time passes (for the sake of game logic, the same amount of time between 1.0 and 2.0) and everyone thinks you've been dead for 5 years. Again. Maybe not the best idea, but a time skip for YOU is the easiest way to write out the existing cast.