Leveling is way to fast...

Is that how you level so fast, Powerleveling duo? Dear lord... it is not the dev's fault that people chose to do that. It is the players choice. There are only so many leve marks you can get in a day. Behest only happens so often. Don't forget to sleep.

Do you seriously want to tell a friend starting the game who you'd really like to play with that it will take them /several weeks/ of slow, drag-ass grinding in order to get to a point where they can do thing one with you in game?

Like, am I seriously the only person who was frustrated multiple times trying to get friends into FFXI because they knew how mogawful it was getting to a point where the game got even a little bit interesting?

That -is- the game we're... orally honouring here, right? CoP-era FFXI? Just so that we're all on the same page. Because, like, you can get from 1-50 in CoX in a matter of days. That game obviously is pointless and who should even bother playing it!

I'm a crafter, I get the "man, PLing kills the demand for low-level gear", I think PLing is kind of dumb and haven't personally engaged in it except for a subset of my first class to 50, and that's only because a good friend of mine at the time wanted to PL me. However I think if you're taking a few weeks to get 1-50, which seems par for the course in my experience if I'm actually trying... that's /completely reasonable/, and definitely slow enough that I, at least, keep buying or making gear to keep my stats at a decent level. I don't think that's a valid argument against the XP curve.

Not sure leveling is way too fast I think it seems just about right buddy. A lot of FFXIV players are casual players and give or take a lot of extreme hardcore ones too but when you have people do have work full-time/part-time + school aside from the game I don't think leveling is fast or too slow. Not too long ago did I finish my last battle class to 50 and the timing for leveling it wasn't bad. I've known people to do Leve's and level up super quick not a big issue. You want a challenge Solo Leve's 1-50 then with no grinding party should be challenge enough for you. Nothing wrong with being PL'ed either as few comments stated in this forum post its there decision, people do what they want can't stop it, can't do away with it, can't make Dev's work any faster or change there mind on how exp should be going. Just go with the flow of of the game and adapt. If you don't like it well suck it up and deal with it.

I think so many people are forgetting XIV's aims of being a casual MMO.

2nd thread got locked, so I came here.

So the point of you making the other thread was to get it locked right away huh? Guess what, it worked! lol. 1 Thread for 1 topic is enough. And for your topic, the leveling is fine with me, I been back for a little over a month, started fresh and I am only PLD39. I am playing casually though, I don't sit in front of my PC 24/7 playing this game

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Originally Posted by DeadlySwordz

I am playing casually though, I don't sit in front of my PC 24/7 playing this game

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Once again, people resort to the "Get a life" ad hominem. As I said before, Playing causally, it takes me about 2 weeks to hit cap. Currently, 'endgame' is more of a grind than getting to endgame, and that's pretty sad

Now, if they can make an endgame that is as varied and packed full of content as getting from 1-75 in XI, then sure, no problem, but from everything they've shown us thus far, it looks to be nothing more than grinding out tiered raids, a trap that many modern MMOs have been falling into. I just want XIV to be a memorable, balanced game that doesn't follow in the same footsteps as everything else out there, and currently it doesn't meet those standards

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Originally Posted by Jocko

...as varied and packed full of content as getting from 1-75 in XI...

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Something on my face?

I do not think there was as much content between 1-75 as you seem to be remembering there to have been, ser. Especially discounting the CoP missions, which - due to the uncapped missions sprinkled throughout, and due to glacial leveling speed, most people expected you to be level 75 before even starting them...

I mean I agree with you that, comparing XIV's current endgame to even CoP-era FFXI's endgame, there's a lot to be desired, but that's old news; the damn /dev team/ agrees with you on that. This game exists in a weird, interstitial space, which is why even talking about stuff like the pace of leveling doesn't really make any sense in my opinion until 2.0 hits.

But to insinuate that there was valid, interesting content between 1 and 75? There were quests- which many people just did at 75 anyways. There was, of course, a brilliant and fleshed-out and very real world to explore- but that has nothing to do with the leveling curve, and get the Wanderer's Shadow title and tell me the zones in XIV even as they are are boring. It's just that there's no reason to go to the interesting places, especially since everything's trying to kill you if you go off the beaten path at all. Still not sure why they did that.

You people seem to be forgetting that the reason Content in FFXI remain challenging throughout the life of the series was because it was all level capped. It didn't matter if you hit 75 because you would have to complete most fights at the intended level. If they planned to implement level caps into XIV leveling pace would be irrelevant, but they have no intention of doing that. FFXIV doesn't really need to slow down leveling. They simply need to make Story Progression Harder. Make it so you cannot simply Level Cap your way through all the content. No one will care about how fast you can hit level 75 if you have to do the new Main Story line at levels 20 25 305 35 40 45 and 50 respectively. Pace of leveling only becomes detrimental when you can walk through the game on your fist Capped class.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

You people seem to be forgetting that the reason Content in FFXI remain challenging throughout the life of the series was because it was all level capped.

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Oh reeeeaaaarry?

Are you sure you were playing the game that actually had "FFXI" on the cover?

It's pretty easy to identify if you were! If there was anything to do before level cap... it wasn't FFXI! :D

(NOTA BENE I am being facetious here, yes there were sidequests and CoP missions and, like, mission 5-1? But I don't thiiiink that's what you're talking about! I do actually like the use of level capping missions as a mechanic, so I guess technically I agree with you, but seriously guy were we actually playing the same game?)

I think they should drop the whole phony steel and do something like they did in tactiac advance

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

The only time ill whine when majority wins is if the majority voted for more melee over casters.

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I'm just stating that the point has been proven that the people on these boards are still a vocal minority, rather than the majority. And I am musing at the fact that now they are out-voted, they're screaming even louder.

It mirrors the irrationality of fringe groups in politics, as well as the general lack of scope such groups share.

50 is mid-level. Yes, it's cap for the moment, but long term, the events that are happening now are either going to have higher level versions later on or become obsolete as new content, levels and the inevitable power creep comes to pass.

They want to lengthen the level process when we're pretty much going to be doubling the time it takes to get to cap by the time we reach 99 anyways.

This game is leveling without an upward curve, which I believe is very correct.

There are two ways to lengthen the process, and both are poor decisions.

One, to evenly distribute the time spent between levels, which has pretty much no point of it. What's the difference between spending an 4 hours getting accustomed to a new ability (Assuming 1 level ~ 1 hour of leves.) And spending 8, or even 16? There's no point in that, at all.

Or two, you instill an upward leveling curve like every MMO, which will exhaust people as they feel their progress being hampered down by the game's mechanics. The system becomes oppressive rather than progressive, and the time spent refining your skills for specific events is instead spent trying to get those last few measly experience points so you meet the minimum standard.

There are more ways for you to gain the feeling of 'being on a journey' then simply leveling up. Exploration, gear progression, storyline. All of these things should be improved before the concept of leveling pacing need to be considered.

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Originally Posted by Kairyu

It completely makes all game content useless until endgame or max level.

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I'm sorry but did this make anyone else lol?

Does it really matter? Games like WoW you can level almost TWICE the amount of levels in almost the same amount of time. It only takes up to 1 week anyway if you're being PL'd or know exactly what you're doing.

Besides the game has already been labeled as broken, and everything in terms of endgame content is going to be removed. How much would it suck if casual players (who didn't have the time to grind like the job-less nerds that overwhelm the MMO community) lost out on a LOT of cool stuff because the grind was just too much?!!

I am happy for the quick leveling. It's not like starting Ifrit for the first time is an easy accomplishment anyway.

This is my personal feel on the matter. 1-39 speed is fine(this is with out pl cuz i wont do it) 40-50 that's stupidly fast.

The way the game works you can get skills from other classes so the devs have to consider a few things.

1.) They have to make the Leveling speed fast enough but not to fast so people are not discouraged from wanting cross class skills.

2.) They also have to consider being able to lvl more than one class to 50 on one char is very appealing so people will want more than one class to 50 unlike other mmos most people stick to one char.

With all that said i feel the speed of leveling is fine but they need to cap the exp earn in tiers for level ranges it pretty crazy you can get something like 2k+ exp for one kill.

1-10 max exp from a kill/chain bonus should be 200.

11-20 max exp from a kill/chain bonus should be 350.

21-30 max exp from a kill/chain bonus should be 475.

31-40 max exp bonus from kill/chain bonus should be 550.

41-50 max exp bonus from kill/chain bonus should be 750.

I feel if they did something like this they can control easily how fast people level.

Yeah but isn't 40-50 only so fast because everyone and their mother groups together for a Natalan party? Which, by my experience, is tanked by a 50WAR who practically can solo everything. As a WHM I was barely needed, unless BLM cast before Steel Cyclone, which ended in death in most cases by the amount of mobs they'd pull. I bet if you did leves the whole way from 1-50, it wouldn't be so fast.

the fact of the matter is most people think its fine. end of story.

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GET OVER IT!

It took me about a month to get one 50, it's your own decision to grind your way to 50 in a short time. Some people don't have all day everyday to play games and why should working people come home from a job to go to another job, as in leveling like Final Fantasy 11(before abyssea). Games are a way to get away from work and should not be stresser like people want it to be.

No one plays this game for the 'fun' of leveling up.

We play it for the fun shit we can do @ 50.... for a week, until it gets boring.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

the fact of the matter is most people think its fine. end of story.

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GET OVER IT!

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Sorry, have to do this, I know I'm not the only one here...

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FUUUUUUU - Quit using the wrong effing picture!!!

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

the fact of the matter is most people think its fine. end of story.

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For someone on the "winning" side you sure seem eager to quell any discussion about what the numbers actually reflect, Senator.

IMO, I think in present MMO market, which there are a lot of games out there, people have less patient to play it.
And if they can't hit lv cap in just 1 month, they might go away and play other game...

The only way to keep players playing MMO is to let them cap very fast, so they can enjoy the end-game contents for a while, or they can enjoy leveling other class.

I think OP must look in the big picture that this game don't have only DoW/M to play.. there are other classes too.. DoH, DoL, ppl can play it for many months before all classes cap.

With introduction to 2.0 and these a lot of contents since Yoshi-P took over the team, it will take new player many months to get everything they need.

Slow leveling kill the game too. no one want to play for 6 month to cap 1 job anymore. Just forget FFXI and enjoy FFXIV at its current state.

Glad the 2nd thread got locked >_>

It's not just that. Leveling is a poor excuse for content, period.

Giving a bout a 1 hour per level rate solo is optimal, and that's what I experienced mid to late levels on Dragoon. It worked. It was fun, it gave me time to play with new toys and get used to new concepts with it.

For parties, I learn my task for events, how to work what I need to. But I'm having fun in the current game content.

And here's the run of it - it should be CONTENT that keeps players occupied. Not trying to achieve the "You must be this tall(In levels) to ride this ride." Part of the theme park.

Optimally what you want to do is to create a system in which repeating content is both enjoyable and helps contribute to overall long term goals. Where exploration both in terms of physical areas as well as stragities are rewarded rather than punished by pushing speed-run ideals on us.

And more than anything, story, story, story. FFXI was bursting with lore with only a year into the game (NA release) and having that sort of richness will set the game apart, and make going into the world that much more fun.

Extending the time it takes to level? That's not the answer to anything. That's not adventuring, that's grinding. I'd rather have fun with a pick-up-group playing slow and casual in a raid run and getting to know each other while still getting good drops for having an odd set up. Then sit there grumbling on how one person is harping about our EXP/Hr being low at some grind party.

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Originally Posted by VytasBismarck

I guess times changed and MMOs are not expected to be a grind anymore. I always thought that progress of the character is the main addicting factor in MMO, and that it should be enjoyed at least for a few weeks till you achieve the max lvl, but i guess nowadays kids just want to start the game with lvl50 char instead of enjoying the growth of it...
Well i guess its a personal choice of what to expect from a game, but me - I would like it to be challenging and would want to enjoy the feeling of the progress instead of capping instantly and spamming same instance over and over...

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I have to agree. Sure the grind was long and borring in some cases(same can be said with spaming dungeions and events) but at least their was a sense of "hey guys I hit 35!" and that was good reason to celebrate now its hey guys i hit 20, 2 hours later "hey guys i hit 35" 2 hours later, "hey guys I hit 45" 2 hours later "hey guys I'm Capped" one week later "all my jobs are 50, have done every dungeon in a pick up group, I am bored, gona go play Diablo ...." no, the game needs its long grind back, sure its not very casual friendly but that didnt stop 40k casual players from subscribing to xi.

LOL @ Kouji pic on the bottom of his posts. maybe thats why he is ok with easy lvl cap, apreantly he has issues with games that take a certain lvl or skill or pursistance to be good at. Wich is ok with me, the more people like that this game loses, the less we have worry about SE trying to please em and we can get back to playing a more respectable MMO.

As far as trying to target the casual gamers and get them to subscribe. I belive its already been said a million times, there are dozens or MMOs that already target that group half of wich are free to play wich is perfect for the targeted audiance because they likely are people who would rather play somthing for a week, beat it, and move on to the next game, XI was full of enthusiast because they actually enjoyed the content and not just the acomplisments. Just my opinion but I realy dont care if we lose the realy casual gamers, they dont offer much to the game and will likely cancle subsriptions once WoW-2 comes out or somthing like it. SE had a good thing with XI prior lvl cap 80+ once the game became simply a notch on some op gamers belt then it was destined for doom. If you want a "Wam bam, thank you ma'm" game , stick to off line games or LOL mmos like WoW, Content should count no matter what lvl it is, right now, no matter what SE releases, it will become a joke of content in about a months time due to insainly fast xping. I dont care to take a month to hit 10 lvls soo long as thats the avg time, just means when I hit cap, I can actually have something to feel acomplished about.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

I have to agree. Sure the grind was long and borring in some cases(same can be said with spaming dungeions and events) but at least their was a sense of "hey guys I hit 35!" and that was good reason to celebrate now its hey guys i hit 20, 2 hours later "hey guys i hit 35" 2 hours later, "hey guys I hit 45" 2 hours later "hey guys I'm Capped" one week later "all my jobs are 50, have done every dungeon in a pick up group, I am bored, gona go play Diablo ...." no, the game needs its long grind back, sure its not very casual friendly but that didnt stop 40k casual players from subscribing to xi.

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Hey bro do me a favour and take a youtube video of yourself going from 10-50 in 8 hours ok? thx

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I feel if they did something like this they can control easily how fast people level.

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Nope, people will just kill the weakest monster that caps out and AoE burn them.

Ther'es no point in trying to limit the fastest, most hardcore players leveling speed. You only end up punishing everyone else for no reason.

The leveling speed is fine, I don't know what would possess anyone to demand that we level slower.

I voted that the leveling in FFXIV is too slow.

Here is why not everyone knows a bunch of people playing and can get exp groups, so the only choice for leveling is doing leves which is painfully dull and slow. Very few people use the search feature forming parties that way doesn't work out too well.

I realize that in a party people can get faster exp then solo but the game is set up in such a way that finding a party is rather difficult. I had exactly 2 exp parties when leveling my gladiator up to 50 it took exactly 1 year and 4 months to get level 50 on Gladiator, now that is not what I called fast.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

it took exactly 1 year and 4 months to get level 50 on Gladiator

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I am guessing you don't play very often? D:
I have soloed classes 1-50 and I've never found it so painfully slow. . . I don't devote a lot of my time to xp either><;

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Originally Posted by Nix

I am guessing you don't play very often? D:
I have soloed classes 1-50 and I've never found it so painfully slow. . . I don't devote a lot of my time to xp either><;

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A lot of this was when they had SP and it was random and sometimes you would get bugged and not have any SP gain at all until you logged out and back in.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

For someone on the "winning" side you sure seem eager to quell any discussion about what the numbers actually reflect, Senator.

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I think it’s just about right. 52.4%
I think it’s too fast. 25.8%

Right from The Producers letter. Only about a quarter of the population thinks that it fast. Those are the numbers. There is no sense bitching about it. Dont like it? you can always leave. no one is forcing you to play a game that leveling seems to fast for you.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

A lot of this was when they had SP and it was random and sometimes you would get bugged and not have any SP gain at all until you logged out and back in.

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I was around in those days and it still didn't take me that long to reach 50 :/

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I voted that the leveling in FFXIV is too slow.

Here is why not everyone knows a bunch of people playing and can get exp groups, so the only choice for leveling is doing leves which is painfully dull and slow. Very few people use the search feature forming parties that way doesn't work out too well.

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I like the XP rate I'm getting currently, but this is a major reason not to make it any slower. I subscribed earlier this week, & so far haven't met anybody anywhere near my level. The few bits of player text I've seen in game have been for a Lv 50 linkshell & some quest for Lv 50's.(with 1000+ players on at a given time)

This isn't just 1-50 in a month, it's 1-50 in MMO solitude. If they nerf XP in general us newer players are going to be segregated from the rest of the community even longer than we're now.

If it's just PL's & burn parties going too fast... I can't really comment there. I don't know how they work in FFXIV or how effective they're.

actually leveling is too fast b4 rested bonus. most people here have all jobs to 50 in did it in a very short time before rested bonus even existed. you must be new

Fact: People that don't like something are far more vocal about it than people that are happy with it. This is why you see big long complaint threads like this when there isn't really a problem perceived by the majority.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

I think it’s just about right. 52.4%
I think it’s too fast. 25.8%

Right from The Producers letter. Only about a quarter of the population thinks that it fast. Those are the numbers. There is no sense bitching about it. Dont like it? you can always leave. no one is forcing you to play a game that leveling seems to fast for you.

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NO! STOP IT! STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG!!!!

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According to my own player poll more people prefer SLOWER leveling. Your argument is invalid.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

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According to my own player poll more people prefer SLOWER leveling. Your argument is invalid.

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Whatever the Official Player poll is the one that matters not yours so whatever.