Where is all the content?

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

What exactly makes the quality better? Flashy setpieces? The only thing interesting in 90% of the dungeons now are bosses. The experience of playing through almost all of them since Shadowbringers is exactly the same with only distinction being aesthetic.
ARR didn't beat EW's just in numbers... What it lacked in setpiece and music it had in making even lineart dungeons actually have distinct experiences.

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What we have now is exactly as a result of how the player mentality developed through the course of the game. Outside of the initial 1-off experience most players were only ever concerned with what the end-goal is and how fast they can get there, art, style and presentation be damned. You had optional routes and more complexity with the ARR dungeons, some of them even having their own unique loot used for housing items, yet all of this was forsaken because the only player concern was being in-and-out as fast as possible. So really it's no surprise that dungeons have devolved into corridor simulators, to be honest.

Personally, I'd love some of the complexity and flare that the ARR dungeons has, but let's not kid ourselves that the majority of people would only be concerned in doing the dungeon as fast as possible.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

What exactly makes the quality better? Flashy setpieces? The only thing interesting in 90% of the dungeons now are bosses. The experience of playing through almost all of them since Shadowbringers is exactly the same with only distinction being aesthetic.

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I don't disagree with you much, aesthethics/graphics/animations/models look imo better and more polished in more recent dungeons overall. But gameplay wise I feel like they are entering a dead-end, they were more open to changes in the past. Why even give classes a sleep crossskill if all mobs in new dungeons are immune to most cc effects

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

What we have now is exactly as a result of how the player mentality developed through the course of the game. Outside of the initial 1-off experience most players were only ever concerned with what the end-goal is and how fast they can get there, art, style and presentation be damned. You had optional routes and more complexity with the ARR dungeons, some of them even having their own unique loot used for housing items, yet all of this was forsaken because the only player concern was being in-and-out as fast as possible. So really it's no surprise that dungeons have devolved into corridor simulators, to be honest.

Personally, I'd love some of the complexity and flare that the ARR dungeons has, but let's not kid ourselves that the majority of people would only be concerned in doing the dungeon as fast as possible.

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Do you actually have a metric for this though? I can search through the forums and see the majority of people want more complexity and interesting dungeons/experiences. I mean the last 3 dungeons we had in the SHB arc were awesome for their involvement and keeping you actually busy.

I've noticed you like to blame the players a lot in this thread. Are you sure it's entirely down to the players? Or is it more of a easy excuse to use instead of pointing the finger at the people actually making the game?

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

Do you actually have a metric for this though? I can search through the forums and see the majority of people want more complexity and interesting dungeons/experiences. I mean the last 3 dungeons we had in the SHB arc were awesome for their involvement and keeping you actually busy.

I've noticed you like to blame the players a lot in this thread. Are you sure it's entirely down to the players? Or is it more of a easy excuse to use instead of pointing the finger at the people actually making the game?

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And yet you get threads where people say the new dungeons are too hard, like Deads End. Literally just had a healer quit from that since they died on first boss, not paying attention as well.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

Do you actually have a metric for this though? I can search through the forums and see the majority of people want more complexity and interesting dungeons/experiences. I mean the last 3 dungeons we had in the SHB arc were awesome for their involvement and keeping you actually busy.

I've noticed you like to blame the players a lot in this thread. Are you sure it's entirely down to the players? Or is it more of a easy excuse to use instead of pointing the finger at the people actually making the game?

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The forums are not really the most indicative metric for the majority of players, really. Besides, I can only look upon the equally numbered people that have complained about dungeons such as Aurum Vale, Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, Amaurot, or Dead-Ends on this forum (It's just a matter of agenda at this point), about how environmental aspects such as ground poison and slowness from slime, in addition to the myriad of webs in the latter dungeon turns out to be a dull inconvenience. Or the numerous optional areas and spaces in dungeons granted that additional layer of exploration - Again many of these forsaken just to complete a dungeon a couple of minutes faster. Take a look at Haukke Manor previously. Once a dungeon that offered you potentially 100K Gil in items for merely killing a couple of mobs and opening a door with a key and grabbing a chest. Why would it be that mundane and basic things such as these were skipped by the players despite exploration such as this, or more extensive be 'prolific and requested' within the game. - Not once did I see a player go for the Manor Varnish, Fine Wax, or Amdapori Stone, or the puzzle included in the final section of Qarn, despite it granting 3 more chests of loot.

It isn't entirely down to the players, no, but the players are a large basis for their development or trends, be it with simplified crafting or dungeons. It's just as easy an excuse as it is to point at the devs and scream lazy as to what it is to sit and point at the players and go "You asked for it" - In fact my argument is that it is just as much on the players as it is on the developers in this particular case of dungeon design. Further, given the forum it'd actually just be easier for me to agree with whatever the set agenda or argument is, which in many cases is just screaming.

Complexity doesn't have to equal difficulty in the encounter. I'm sorry you've found a bad healer but that's not what I mean when I say complexity.

What about a randomly generated puzzle you have to solve in some dungeons? However that may look, it would keep people engaged.

Or perhaps a free roaming dungeon in which you have to kill certain monsters to get through to the end/boss.

Or even better, why not make it feel like the End of Days actually happened across Etheryis? IT happens in two zones in the entirety of the story, and we "fix" the problem by telling people to stop thinking nihilistically.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

What exactly makes the quality better? Flashy setpieces? The only thing interesting in 90% of the dungeons now are bosses. The experience of playing through almost all of them since Shadowbringers is exactly the same with only distinction being aesthetic.
ARR didn't beat EW's just in numbers... What it lacked in setpiece and music it had in making even lineart dungeons actually have distinct experiences.

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Actually they were like that in Heavensward and Stormblood too. In fact they started becoming hallways towards the end of ARR. Snowcloak, Keeper of the Lake, Praetorium, all hallways, some bigger than others. They just don’t do gimmicky nonsense that the playerbase no longer wants to bother with. Hell, I had to wait until Sastasha was cleared on my alt so I could get the map achievement.

Dungeons in ARR were boring and visually lackluster. HW were a bit better but a lot of them are forgettable or a ton of reused assets.
SB was much better but some dungeons had hiccup. ShB dungeons, I really need to be picky to say a dungeon is both mechanically and visually boring.
Where dungeons used to be a cave, a fortress, a manor... We now have a dungeon separated in 3 micro dungeons with differents themes.
Would I like a surprise 82/84/86/88/90 dungeon during the MSQ? Sure, but I'm satisfied with the dungeon quality so far.

Dungeons are corridors?
Guess what Sastashan Tam-Tara are after the first time you finish it.
You will always use the same path. If you want to explore, it will be a waste of time for the players that already explored.
Labyrinth are better for solo duties. Like "In the cold", I liked it but some players have complaint about it.

Gear?
We already have a lot ingame and the quality of the new one is really nice.
83 dungeon has cool winter coats. Heck, there is a chainsaw gunblade! (But it's not rotating...)

What actually grinds my mind about the "side content" are the following:
-No new tank mount or new healer mount.
-No meaningful reward after leveling all jobs to 90.
-Lacking role quests, nothing if you complete them all (as of 6.05, apparently they said they would add something)
-Job design is worse than Shadowbringers, popular player feedback was ignored (Living Dead, anyone?)
-Balancing is in the strawberries, even worse than the start of ShB.
-5.5 was lackluster, no ultimate and a visually empty Zadnor. We got 9 months of waiting but same content.

I'm not against less dungeons, mounts...
But dammit SQEX, polish what you build, polish what exists.

Note that ARR had to have content for 1-50 levels and its post story.....

EW is only 10 levels, with more if you using the new jobs. Also much less dev time.

We also have no new deepdungeon, no Hildibrand quests, only one dungeon each big patch, no real news of the island sanctuary, no news of any content that will be like eureka/bozja and ishgard restauration.

Remember when the first max lvl dungeon gave you gear? Like in Stormblood? Which was a completely unique new glam set? Yeah no more of that, only accessoires now! And to add to that now even the lvl89 dungeon gives no new set but only accessoires.

Remember last time we got pvp weapons? Somewhere back then in stormblood. Or two pvp sets each expansion?

Remember when the normal gear wasn't just lazy reskins?`Or at least some sets were fresh looks? Yeah now it's all reskin, literally everything is.

Heck even the glamour tataru gave us this time (and we got none in ShB) was just a reskin of the coat that existed since ARR.

This time you don't even get a mount or a title when you bring every job to 90.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

We also have no new deepdungeon, no Hildibrand quests, only one dungeon each big patch, no real news of the island sanctuary, no news of any content that will be like eureka/bozja and ishgard restauration.

Remember when the first max lvl dungeon gave you gear? Like in Stormblood? Which was a completely unique new glam set? Yeah no more of that, only accessoires now! And to add to that now even the lvl89 dungeon gives no new set but only accessoires.

Remember last time we got pvp weapons? Somewhere back then in stormblood. Or two pvp sets each expansion?

Remember when the normal gear wasn't just lazy reskins?`Or at least some sets were fresh looks? Yeah now it's all reskin, literally everything is.

Heck even the glamour tataru gave us this time (and we got none in ShB) was just a reskin of the coat that existed since ARR.

This time you don't even get a mount or a title when you bring every job to 90.

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Careful pal, this much truth will net you a lot of scorn.

I couldn't believe what we actually got during the Garlemald stuff, I was hoping for a really nice elaborate design but it's just... a fluffy jacket with hideous modeling.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

Careful pal, this much truth will net you a lot of scorn.

I couldn't believe what we actually got during the Garlemald stuff, I was hoping for a really nice elaborate design but it's just... a fluffy jacket with hideous modeling.

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Still can’t believe after not giving us a tataru glam in ShB, they had the audacity to give us one in EW being a reskin… Yet another example of mass reskins this expansions.

Expansions are huge in this game. Volume is never an issue. Personally I'd like different types of content rather than the same stuff every year, but people would just math it out and complain that we went from 74 corridors down to 45. They had to stop selling the game because it's too popular, so my personal preferences don't really matter.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

They had to stop selling the game because it's too popular, so my personal preferences don't really matter.

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To be fair, it's a combination of different factors. Perhaps most importantly, the servers simply aren't able to handle the player load they were faced with. A lot of people are stuck at home with more free time than expected and so MMO's are making a bit of a comeback as a consequence. WoW has also been infused with controversy after controversy for a while and a lot of people decided to quit and find something else to play. However, GW2 and ESO have also been seeing renewed interest and they have been around for about as long as FFXIV has.

Even with WoW's decline, though, FFXIV is seeing more popularity but it hasn't reached the same numbers as WoW during its 'golden era' nor is it likely to do so with the insistence on playing it safe at every possible turn.

I do think FFXIV is the best option on the market at the moment, but that isn't saying much given the competition.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

We also have no new deepdungeon, no Hildibrand quests, only one dungeon each big patch, no real news of the island sanctuary, no news of any content that will be like eureka/bozja and ishgard restauration.

Remember when the first max lvl dungeon gave you gear? Like in Stormblood? Which was a completely unique new glam set? Yeah no more of that, only accessoires now! And to add to that now even the lvl89 dungeon gives no new set but only accessoires.

Remember last time we got pvp weapons? Somewhere back then in stormblood. Or two pvp sets each expansion?

Remember when the normal gear wasn't just lazy reskins?`Or at least some sets were fresh looks? Yeah now it's all reskin, literally everything is.

Heck even the glamour tataru gave us this time (and we got none in ShB) was just a reskin of the coat that existed since ARR.

This time you don't even get a mount or a title when you bring every job to 90.

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You do realize that we don't get some of this stuff until later patches, right? The reskins are getting a bit out of hand though, I will give you that. At the very least they should be reskins that people really want, and dyeable to boot.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You do realize that we don't get some of this stuff until later patches, right?

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They forget we get free 89 unique gear for each job from a vendor instead of grinding it in a dungeon, that scales to 90, and you expect them to remember how content is released? Pfffbbt...
Or that we'll be getting info on the island sanctuary later?
Or that ShB was the unique expansion that gave a mount for leveling all combat jobs?
Or That PvP content is coming later?
That normal gear has been re-skins since HW?

Not sure they do realize, could be wrong though! People want it right now, all of it!

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

They forget we get free 89 unique gear for each job from a vendor instead of grinding it in a dungeon, that scales to 90, and you expect them to remember how content is released? Pfffbbt...
Or that we'll be getting info on the island sanctuary later?
Or that ShB was the unique expansion that gave a mount for leveling all combat jobs?
Or That PvP content is coming later?
That normal gear has been re-skins since HW?

Not sure they do realize, could be wrong though! People want it right now, all of it!

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We didn't get that mount achievement right off the bat either as far as I'm aware. I'm pretty sure it was a 5.1 thing.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

We didn't get that mount achievement right off the bat either as far as I'm aware. I'm pretty sure it was a 5.1 thing.

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It's pretty irrelevant in the first place. I'm pretty sure if you look historically at MSQ, in Hevensward we got the Dragon mount and Manacutter, comparatively in Stormblood we got the Yol Mount, comparatively in Shadowbringers to my knowledge the MSQ saw no presence of a mount, yet an Amaro added as a reward for all classes to 80 (in 5.0). Comparatively Endwalker has a certain unlockable from the final quest of the MSQ. Not to mention the Calydontis from Khloe's Gold Certificate, or the Wivre mount for Gemstones.

You could just argue they decided to stick the reward back into the MSQ (Which historically had always been the case anyway) as opposed to the mount being unlocked via maxing all jobs.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

They forget we get free 89 unique gear for each job from a vendor instead of grinding it in a dungeon, that scales to 90, and you expect them to remember how content is released? Pfffbbt...
Or that we'll be getting info on the island sanctuary later?
Or that ShB was the unique expansion that gave a mount for leveling all combat jobs?
Or That PvP content is coming later?
That normal gear has been re-skins since HW?

Not sure they do realize, could be wrong though! People want it right now, all of it!

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That free unique gear at 89 is literally no different than the gear we got at 70 and 80. It’s the af gear. They just released it at 89 so they could scam us out of getting an 89 gear set from the 89 dungeon. People realize reskins have always been a thing, it’s the fact that they’re far more rampant than they’ve ever been. Like someone else pointed out, we got no tataru glam at the end of shb and we finally got one for EW but it’s literally a reskin, not even unique.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

That free unique gear at 89 is literally no different than the gear we got at 70 and 80. It’s the af gear. They just released it at 89 so they could scam us out of getting an 89 gear set from the 89 dungeon. People realize reskins have always been a thing, it’s the fact that they’re far more rampant than they’ve ever been. Like someone else pointed out, we got no tataru glam at the end of shb and we finally got one for EW but it’s literally a reskin, not even unique.

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Curiously, last I checked the 79 gear in ShB was just reskins of the level 50 gear from WoD. The level 80 Job Quest gear was the Weathered. Not sure how any of it's a scam, as your words make zero sense since they literally give it to you earlier on and let it scale even. If anything, that's a boon.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Curiously, last I checked the 79 gear in ShB was just reskins of the level 50 gear from WoD. The level 80 Job Quest gear was the Weathered. Not sure how any of it's a scam, as your words make zero sense since they literally give it to you earlier on and let it scale even. If anything, that's a boon.

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It’s a scam because we’re literally missing out on a gearset. The level 80 role quests gear was the weathered yes, aka the AF gear, same as the gear we get this expansion at 89 lol. Except in ShB we got the 79 gulg gear which while a reskin, we at least got it. We didn’t get any left side gear from the 89 dungeon.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It’s a scam because we’re literally missing out on a gearset. The level 80 role quests gear was the weathered yes, aka the AF gear, same as the gear we get this expansion at 89 lol. Except in ShB we got the 79 gulg gear which while a reskin, we at least got it. We didn’t get any left side gear from the 89 dungeon.

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Sooo... you're just mad, they didn't put in a useless set for gear for one level?

Color me confused on how pointless that would be....

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

They forget we get free 89 unique gear for each job from a vendor instead of grinding it in a dungeon, that scales to 90, and you expect them to remember how content is released? Pfffbbt...
Or that we'll be getting info on the island sanctuary later?
Or that ShB was the unique expansion that gave a mount for leveling all combat jobs?
Or That PvP content is coming later?
That normal gear has been re-skins since HW?

Not sure they do realize, could be wrong though! People want it right now, all of it!

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Each expansion we get job gear, this one they drop the level to 89 and remove the gear from the level 89 dungeon. I don't get your point at all.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Sooo... you're just mad, they didn't put in a useless set for gear for one level?

Color me confused on how pointless that would be....

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How would it be useless? They could either give us a unique glam for the dungeon or if they did decide to use a reskin, make it be dyable and a set that hasnt been dyable in the past. Just because its useless to you doesnt mean its useless to others.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Curiously, last I checked the 79 gear in ShB was just reskins of the level 50 gear from WoD. The level 80 Job Quest gear was the Weathered. Not sure how any of it's a scam, as your words make zero sense since they literally give it to you earlier on and let it scale even. If anything, that's a boon.

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Funny enough the crafted gearset we got just 4 weeks later was a reskin of the Mt Gulg gear, and thus the gear from WoD, and it was dyable.. That Mt. Gulg gearset really had some incredible longevity to it.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Sooo... you're just mad, they didn't put in a useless set for gear for one level?

Color me confused on how pointless that would be....

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What's useless to you isn't useless to everyone. I still have some of the 79 dungeon items in my glam dresser.

The bottom line is we got one less set of gear. They could have made that a new set, or they could have used 89 gear to introduce a dyable version of raid gear from a previous expansion we still don't have (Mhach, Labyrinth, Syrcus, all of Ivalice). They instead cut out an entire set of gear so we'll never know now.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

How would it be useless? They could either give us a unique glam for the dungeon or if they did decide to use a reskin, make it be dyable and a set that hasnt been dyable in the past. Just because its useless to you doesnt mean its useless to others.

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Well, we already get the free gear at 89 without being forced to do the time sink of it, instead getting the benefit of making it dyable once 90 through role quests. It reduces the grind needed to get geared up for start doing content, while giving us a unique look, versus your proposed idea that they should have added a re-skinned set in the 89 dungeon, that would be useless in 1 level anyway if they did it the old method, just to get some glamor items that most won't use since just reskins of reskins.

I'd say that's fairly useless to waste time on in development and in player time. People are already crying, you included, about the reskins already. So what is it? Give us reskins, or don't give us reskins? Don't go back and forth on it.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Well, we already get the free gear at 89 without being forced to do the time sink of it, instead getting the benefit of making it dyable once 90 through role quests. It reduces the grind needed to get geared up for start doing content, while giving us a unique look, versus your proposed idea that they should have added a re-skinned set in the 89 dungeon, that would be useless in 1 level anyway if they did it the old method, just to get some glamor items that most won't use since just reskins of reskins.

I'd say that's fairly useless to waste time on in development and in player time. People are already crying, you included, about the reskins already. So what is it? Give us reskins, or don't give us reskins? Don't go back and forth on it.

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I literally just stated what they could do. They could’ve given us a unique glam. My issue with the reskins is they’re reusing them for things in the past we’d usually get unique glams from(Tataru glam for example) but also they’re reusing glams and not even role swapping them or making them dyable which is beyond laziness. My proposed idea would be for it to be a unique set, which i stated if you hadn’t read over that part. However if that somehow proved to be too much for them at the very least they could use a reskinned glam and have it be a set that hasn’t been dyable previously like other people have mentioned. Based on your logic we just shouldn’t have dungeon gear in general since it’s going to be rendered useless in a few levels anyways. You seem to be skimming over the points people are using to be constructive because they don’t fit your narrative.

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Well, we already get the free gear at 89 without being forced to do the time sink of it, instead getting the benefit of making it dyable once 90 through role quests. It reduces the grind needed to get geared up for start doing content, while giving us a unique look, versus your proposed idea that they should have added a re-skinned set in the 89 dungeon, that would be useless in 1 level anyway if they did it the old method, just to get some glamor items that most won't use since just reskins of reskins.

I'd say that's fairly useless to waste time on in development and in player time. People are already crying, you included, about the reskins already. So what is it? Give us reskins, or don't give us reskins? Don't go back and forth on it.

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Here's a simple way to put it for you. When we get the same item model but with dyability added, that's at least something added. When we get the same armor, for the same jobs, with a slight recolor on one part of it, that's not really something added.

Also, there was no grind involved for getting your AF gear in Shadowbringers or Stormblood, no moreso than getting your AF in Endwalker anyway. The grind was in dying that gear but you're talking about "getting geared up to start doing content". In Shadowbringers you're handed your job gear at a certain point in the MSQ, the only difference is you have to be level cap to wear it. Regardless, you had your job gear by the time you started doing content, so getting that job gear at 89 instead makes no functional difference. They just did it so they could cut out a gearset and it's as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I literally just stated what they could do. They could’ve given us a unique glam. My issue with the reskins is they’re reusing them for things in the past we’d usually get unique glams from(Tataru glam for example) but also they’re reusing glams and not even role swapping them or making them dyable which is beyond laziness. My proposed idea would be for it to be a unique set, which i stated if you hadn’t read over that part. However if that somehow proved to be too much for them at the very least they could use a reskinned glam and have it be a set that hasn’t been dyable previously like other people have mentioned. Based on your logic we just shouldn’t have dungeon gear in general since it’s going to be rendered useless in a few levels anyways. You seem to be skimming over the points people are using to be constructive because they don’t fit your narrative.

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I'm not skimming over anything, you are. What they did I feel is fine, what I find funny though is you literally just said you wanted reskins, while early saying they were lazy by using reskins. To now say you want unique gear from the dungeon instead which hasn't been done ever since HW, so you know it more then likely wouldn't happen now. or at least(Again, humorously) to give as dyable reskins.

Mind.... blown.... Ok, def done with you. You demand one thing, to then say you don't want that thing, to then demand it again. Talk about flip floppity so I'm just gonna hoppity outta here.

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I'm not skimming over anything, you are. What they did I feel is fine, what I find funny though is you literally just said you wanted reskins, while early saying they were lazy by using reskins. To now say you want unique gear from the dungeon instead which hasn't been done ever since HW, so you know it more then likely wouldn't happen now. or at least(Again, humorously) to give as dyable reskins.

Mind.... blown.... Ok, def done with you. You demand one thing, to then say you don't want that thing, to then demand it again. Talk about flip floppity so I'm just gonna hoppity outta here.

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Basically their argument boils down to this:

"More reskins? Wtf SE?"

followed by

"No reskins? Wtf SE?"

They're just salty about the game in general and have been for some time now.

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Mind.... blown.... Ok, def done with you. You demand one thing, to then say you don't want that thing, to then demand it again. Talk about flip floppity so I'm just gonna hoppity outta here.

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You're just being intentionally obtuse and it's obvious.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Basically their argument boils down to this:

"More reskins? Wtf SE?"

followed by

"No reskins? Wtf SE?

They're just salty about the game in general and have been for some time now.

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No, this is stupid.

What we're saying is they could go to the minimum level of effort at the least. But didn't even bother with that.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Basically their argument boils down to this:

"More reskins? Wtf SE?"

followed by

"No reskins? Wtf SE?"

They're just salty about the game in general and have been for some time now.

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That’s literally not my argument. Would i prefer more unique sets? Of course, who wouldn’t. But it’s clear that’s too much for them, so now it’s a matter of what is the quality of the reskins we’re going to get. I would rather us not get scammed out of a gearset, and instead, if said gearset can’t be unique, at the very least have it be a set that is dyable or role swapped, and one that hasn’t had either of those things done yet. If you can’t see that from my argument i’m sorry that you can’t handle other peoples opinions and have to simplify for your own sake, but don’t try to take things out of context, it’s not a good look.

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That’s literally not my argument. Would i prefer more unique sets? Of course, who wouldn’t. But it’s clear that’s too much for them, so now it’s a matter of what is the quality of the reskins we’re going to get. I would rather us not get scammed out of a gearset, and instead, if said gearset can’t be unique, at the very least have it be a set that is dyable or role swapped, and one that hasn’t had either of those things done yet. If you can’t see that from my argument i’m sorry that you can’t handle other peoples opinions and have to simplify for your own sake, but don’t try to take things out of context, it’s not a good look.

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I can handle other peoples' opinions just fine. If I couldn't I wouldn't be here. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them. In this case I clearly don't. I view a few peoples' arguments as flawed and called them out on it. You just happened to be among them.

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No, this is stupid.

What we're saying is they could go to the minimum level of effort at the least. But didn't even bother with that.

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And they did, just in different areas. Areas you are ignoring.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I can handle other peoples' opinions just fine. If I couldn't I wouldn't be here. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them. In this case I clearly don't. I view a few peoples' arguments are flawed and called them out on it. You just happened to be among them.



And they did, just in different areas. Areas you are ignoring.

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You don’t have to agree with it, but you’re literally accusing my argument of being something it’s not. Simplifying it and taking it out of context to suit your views while also trying to completely denounce and gatekeep my opinion by just accusing me of “just being salty about the game.”

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Originally Posted by FrogDog

You're just being intentionally obtuse and it's obvious.

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No, I'm not going to debate with someone who calls out a company being lazy for using reskins, to then ask for said reskins. It's called my not wasting my time with their needless arguing from their mimetic desires. Pick one, or the other. Don't choose your side based on the argument you want to make to just argue, since that's all they are literally doing, arguing to argue.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

You don’t have to agree with it, but you’re literally accusing my argument of being something it’s not. Simplifying it and taking it out of context to suit your views while also trying to completely denounce and gatekeep my opinion by just accusing me of “just being salty about the game.”

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I'm not gatekeeping anything. That's not even good buzzword use right there. I'm viewing it as I see it. Disagree as much as you like! Won't change my mind though. I've seen it all around here. This isn't my first "debate" with you either.

That's ff14 more of the good stuff.

The new stuff is your your island and pvp. Everything else is redone stuff for current level. That's unlikely to change.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

They forget we get free 89 unique gear for each job from a vendor instead of grinding it in a dungeon, that scales to 90, and you expect them to remember how content is released? Pfffbbt...
Or that we'll be getting info on the island sanctuary later?
Or that ShB was the unique expansion that gave a mount for leveling all combat jobs?
Or That PvP content is coming later?
That normal gear has been re-skins since HW?

Not sure they do realize, could be wrong though! People want it right now, all of it!

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1. In Stormlood/Shadowbringers we had more informations about that coming content much earlier. While atm we have complete silence on that part.

2. Yeah, and? Doesn't mean they can't give us a title or mount now, right? Cut content is cut content.

3. Yeah same as it came "later" in ShB? When we got just one pvp set? No weapons? No second gearset? Literally nothing. And the promised change in PvP they also just coat with silence atm.

4. No, reskins aren't that normal, not in these amounts. All the leveling gear from 80-89 are completely reskins. This was not the case in old expansions. Sure there were always reskins but not literally everything. In ShB it was the dwarf set, in Stormblood the mhigan set which looked a bit rustic. They were new and completely unique sets. While the stuff now is just a reskin of the neo ishgardian set lol. And it hurts even more now that the max lvl dungeons and the last leveling dungeon only give accessoires. In stormblood they both gave unique glamour. In ShB only the 79 gave glam which was a reskin and the 80 gave only accessoires. And what is next? Every leveling dungeon only giving accessoires? No new glamour at all anymore?

But hey at least we got a nice reskin coat from ARR, thanks Tataru! That's what we waited for since ShB. No wonder the garleans think we are savages, we sure look like some.