Endwalker White Mage has Issues

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Originally Posted by execlinca

I don't think Holy's cast time is an issue - it's working as intended.

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WHM in a nutshell. Clunky, restricted, limited abilities because "they're so powerful, so it has to be that way!".

I read things like "Holy is to offset WHM's lack of oGCD's" and "it has to cause mandatory clipping because the stun is good!" and wonder what on earth they're designing. They give a class an aoe stun, sounds great, but now it's locked into having less oGCD's and a clunky cast time. Where does that leave WHM in raids, where the offset for their lack of oGCD's doesn't do anything? And what happens when the stun duration expires?

It's sad, but honestly if ripping the stun away from Holy meant the devs gave WHM aoe an instant cast and multiple strong oGCD's to weave, then throw the stun out the window.
Same with other things. If Benediction was a 25-30% heal on a quarter the CD, great. Lilybell on half potency but a 1m cd and detonate option? I'd take it. No damage on Assize in exchange for 2 charges and 10% mana restored. Sure.

It wouldn't be great design, but if WHM's abilities being "powerful" in niche situations is designing the class into being rubbish, then they're better off scrapping that identity.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

WHM in a nutshell. Clunky, restricted, limited abilities because "they're so powerful, so it has to be that way!".

I read things like "Holy is to offset WHM's lack of oGCD's" and "it has to cause mandatory clipping because the stun is good!" and wonder what on earth they're designing. They give a class an aoe stun, sounds great, but now it's locked into having less oGCD's and a clunky cast time. Where does that leave WHM in raids, where the offset for their lack of oGCD's doesn't do anything? And what happens when the stun duration expires?

It's sad, but honestly if ripping the stun away from Holy meant the devs gave WHM aoe an instant cast and multiple strong oGCD's to weave, then throw the stun out the window.
Same with other things. If Benediction was a 25-30% heal on a quarter the CD, great. Lilybell on half potency but a 1m cd and detonate option? I'd take it. No damage on Assize in exchange for 2 charges and 10% mana restored. Sure.

It wouldn't be great design, but if WHM's abilities being "powerful" in niche situations is designing the class into being rubbish, then they're better off scrapping that identity.

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Yeah you're totally right. Nerf Liturgy so I can actually use it on cd, nerf benediction so I can use it on cd, and I would generally have a much better time. I would be happy with making the lilies oGCDs too. Holy doesn't feel like much of a problem to me probably mostly because dungeons aren't that important to me optimisation wise, but if they are using it to justify the rest of WHM's kit then whatever. It is all so mismatched right now.

Stellar Explosion is so good and it's a blend of Assize and Liturgy... I would love a detonate option on Liturgy lol. It's so useful. Liturgy really does not need to be as powerful as it is because nothing in the game is designed around NEEDING that power (or I would have more spots where I could actually use it fully) so its power is just a detriment at this point. I would resent that Assize change greatly but hey, I guess if it is the price to pay for our horrendous recovery...

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

WHM in a nutshell. Clunky, restricted, limited abilities because "they're so powerful, so it has to be that way!".

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Square; "White Mage is too stronk in Dungeons, make it clunky with Holy clipping."

Also Square; "We give Warrior self bene on 25 second cooldown unga bunga."

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Nope that still goes to a DPS not WHM.Also it's actually better not to be consistently raising even though it happens.

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Originally Posted by execlinca

Yeah you're totally right. Nerf Liturgy so I can actually use it on cd, nerf benediction so I can use it on cd, and I would generally have a much better time. I would be happy with making the lilies oGCDs too. Holy doesn't feel like much of a problem to me probably mostly because dungeons aren't that important to me optimisation wise, but if they are using it to justify the rest of WHM's kit then whatever. It is all so mismatched right now.

Stellar Explosion is so good and it's a blend of Assize and Liturgy... I would love a detonate option on Liturgy lol. It's so useful. Liturgy really does not need to be as powerful as it is because nothing in the game is designed around NEEDING that power (or I would have more spots where I could actually use it fully) so its power is just a detriment at this point. I would resent that Assize change greatly but hey, I guess if it is the price to pay for our horrendous recovery...

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You really don't need to nerf any of WHM's abilities at all. The problem with WHM isn't that their abilities are too strong, it's that they're outdated. Once upon a time, that 3k heal from Benediction was extremely powerful but now that we have things like Macrocosmos, Zoe+Pneuma, etc. that 3k isn't as prominent any more and can hardly justify it's CD nowadays. Lilybell could potentially warrant a 3 minute CD if it was changed in a few ways.

Increase the duration to 30 seconds.
Let the WHM manually use each stack as an oGCD Medica cast that they could weave.
Remove the fall off heal at the end and just turn any remaining stacks into a burst heal at full potency.

Those changes alone would warrant it being 3 minutes because, while still weaker than Macrocosmos in terms of potential potency, it has a longer duration and would allow the WHM to always be able to control when the heals go off.

WHM just needs an overhaul really to update its entire identity