Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

Pretty sure OP hasn't played against the "last boss" of 5.3 yet. Woman body, male voice. Nuff said ;P

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The term you are looking for is bishounen, and it's actually a trope in Japanese entertainment. The thing is bishounen is not seen as queer in Japan, it's seen as powerful, rich, and in control.

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

Pretty sure OP hasn't played against the "last boss" of 5.3 yet. Woman body, male voice. Nuff said ;P

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That's not a woman, just an androgynous man.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

"Sired" usually implies the "Act" of "Making" them. Two Men cannot "create" Children of their own. Just choosing my words carefully here to not get a ban or anything.

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What ever gave you the idea that gay males never have female partners? Or that a gay man cannot be married to a woman and have children?

Your carefully chosen words were not in your earlier post.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

What ever gave you the idea that gay males never have female partners? Or that a gay man cannot be married to a woman and have children?

Your carefully chosen words were not in your earlier post.

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One could take this to mean gay males see females as nothing but breeding stock.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

What ever gave you the idea that gay males never have female partners? Or that a gay man cannot be married to a woman and have children?

Your carefully chosen words were not in your earlier post.

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If you're gay and having children with a woman that's called being bi.

Its also cool and also totally fine to be.

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Originally Posted by Zorvan

One could take this to mean gay males see females as nothing but breeding stock.

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How do people do this? Seriously equating a Gay man making a child with a woman, and going to "Sees them as Breeding stock."

I'm only attracted to men, I'm a Transgender Female, but when I was pretending to be male back in the 90s, I was married to a woman. We did married couples things. I still love her, even though I couldn't give her the love she deserved. Gay men can and often do have women they love, and might even have skinship with. This does not mean they think of them as a womb only. Also on this note, back in the wayback machine, when being Gay was illegal in most of the USA ie 2003 (Lawrence v. Texas). Gay men and lesbian women would often marry and have kids to hide that they were gay. Tons of famous actors fell into this category, where they married for a press release, and had kids to prove they were straight.

Now straight men, on the other hand especially in very religious circles, and in very religious nations do often think of women as a womb to bare Boy children. But this is not a discussion of the danger of conservative monotheism and the danger it holds to western civilization.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

If you're gay and having children with a woman that's called being bi.

Its also cool and also totally fine to be.

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Yes and no, Bi & Pan sexualities mean you are sexually attracted to more than one gender/sex. Gay like Heterosexuality, is only attracted sexually to one thing. Now the thing is, people can have sex with people they are not attracted sexually to, in fact, this happens all the time. I can think of a hundred real-world examples of this. Also you don't even need sex to make children in a technological civilization. And since this whole tangent revolves around someone from a technological civilization that has mecha, and cloning. One can not assume that the person in question ever had a sexual relationship.

I'm not particularly bothered but mainly because the sexual tastes and orientations of the NPCs around me don't come up regularly, like if Alphinaud was dating a boy or something then yeah, sure, introduce his boyfriend during a cutscene or something stupid, but there's way more going on in the story beyond who or what Alphinaud is attracted to... Like, don't get me wrong, but with all the fighting against world ending threats and delving into the mysteries of Primals and Ascians there's not much time for characters to be really blatant or vocal about their orientations, I think the closest is maybe Alisaie and Tesleen where they could've hinted the two were in love or something without it being really shoehorned in.

As for the random city NPCs and basically filler content it's just not that important really, do you really need the baker in some shithole village hooking up with the florist of the same gender to get some representation? I mean, like, the world outside of actual characters is blatantly boring and pointless, I fly through these little villages without a care in the world and I don't really feel like anyone out there SHOULD be invested in them, they're nameless faces recycled with different clothing pretending they have some vague kind of life beyond just being decorations.

Would I have liked to see some gay characters in the roster of ACTUAL characters? Sure, but SE did give us the most important representation LGBT players can have, namely same sex marriage.

In this game you, the main character, can be 100% gay and you can be 100% with anyone else of your mutual choice, and it's something that has an actual vague impact on the game (the teleportation ring namely) and that to me is way better than NPCs awkwardly bringing up their sexuality or gender identity in what is a story revolving around the fate of the multiverse. Again, don't get me wrong here, it'd be nice to have a side story or a little quest chain about helping one of the NPCs out with a date as just a little fun thing to do, but I'd really rather not have gender/sexual choices being kind of awkwardly inserted where it really doesn't belong just for some vague 'representation'...

You can be yourself in this game, no one judges you for it, isn't that WAY more representation than 'oh those gay village dudes with no name'.

There has been a consistent theme in this thread that I've noticed: apparently LGBT representation is fine as long as it does not offend the heteronormative world view.

Whilst I recognise this is a troll thread, oof has this opened a whole can of worms. Some of you should not be allowed to talk about LGBT rep at all.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

There has been a consistent theme in this thread that I've noticed: apparently LGBT representation is fine as long as it does not offend the heteronormative world view.

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Well we wouldn't want to offend people based of their sexuality, would we?

God this thread needs nuked.

i feel like I’ve been saying this more and more often on these forums

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Originally Posted by Connor

God this thread needs nuked.

i feel like I’ve been saying this more and more often on these forums

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The irony of this thread, generally, is it is being moderated. Posts have been deleted by mods, yet the thread still stays up. While I did personally fall for the bait, I would think the mods would outright delete this thread by this point since the OP literally copy/pasted a reddit post from 2 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

The irony of this thread, generally, is it is being moderated. Posts have been deleted by mods, yet the thread still stays up. While I did personally fall for the bait, I would think the mods would outright delete this thread by this point since the OP literally copy/pasted a reddit post from 2 years ago.

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Why delete the thread when you can get rid of the creator instead, less headache in future moderating since it seems he's a known troll.

I honestly got whiplash from a few posts. As someone who is bi, I'd love to see more presensation but not for the cost of quality.
No matter if its straight or gay, there is no reason to bring sexuality into this game where it has zero relevance to the plot. And assuming (and borderline enforcing) the sexuality of a NPC who never stated it themselves, just goes into dangerous territory in my opinion. If there is one thing I cannot stand its announcing a character gay just for the sake of it. No substance, no relevance, but at least we got representation huh? I like our closest NPCs the way they are, because they show personality and depth. Their sexuality adds 0 to that, I couldn't honestly care less even if I tried. Now if they did a storychain for a random NPC where the topic revolves around that, fair point.

You know. The WoL can technically be gay or straight or bi.
Isn't that enough? because you can get married to another player character regardless of gender.


Because the only way to like...show off a clearly known LGBT character is if they like start doing the delivery moogle quest again.
And they also would have to be careful about it because this game is worldwide. But this in turn also pisses off other people because now it just feels shoehorned in just to check off the "have a lgbt character" box. That western devs have been doing lately.

I say moogle quest btw because it'll feel just too random and out of character for more important npc to just randomly tell you their gay or lezbean. Because where would they even find the time? Since gay couples and such is a norm in eorzea why would they even feel the need to tell you what gender theyre into?

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

You know. The WoL can technically be gay or straight or bi.
Isn't that enough? because you can get married to another player character regardless of gender.


Because the only way to like...show off a clearly known LGBT character is if they like start doing the delivery moogle quest again.
And they also would have to be careful about it because this game is worldwide. But this in turn also pisses off other people because now it just feels shoehorned in just to check off the "have a lgbt character" box. That western devs have been doing lately.

I say moogle quest btw because it'll feel just too random and out of character for more important npc to just randomly tell you their gay or lezbean. Because where would they even find the time? Since gay couples and such is a norm in eorzea why would they even feel the need to tell you what gender theyre into?

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If handled well (IE not blatantly so/not the defining feature of the character) very few people will really care. It's when it's done poorly or the "this character's gay now because we said so" logic that's also been going around. Like you said, our WoL's can be anything since we make their backstories up ourselves.

Can we just please stop posting in Titanman threads and just report him? The guy's a troll with too much free time on his hands.

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

Can we just please stop posting in Titanman threads and just report him? The guy's a troll with too much free time on his hands.

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Yeah but he'll just hop accounts anyways, it's not like the mod team cares since he can come back, change his name, and just do the same basic baiting ad nauseum and the mods either don't notice or don't do anything willingly.

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Originally Posted by M0rrigan

Why delete the thread when you can get rid of the creator instead, less headache in future moderating since it seems he's a known troll.

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Nexon used to do this in some forums. Consecutive forum offences would lead to a permaban from the forums. Then, if you were found to work around that issue, they'd ban you from the game, then consecutive bans would lead to a permaban.


Really surprised SE doesn't do that here.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Nexon used to do this in some forums. Consecutive forum offences would lead to a permaban from the forums. Then, if you were found to work around that issue, they'd ban you from the game, then consecutive bans would lead to a permaban.


Really surprised SE doesn't do that here.

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Because although this guy is technically a troll, he also brought up a point of debate - and hence why people would debate on the issue so furiously. Even if this topic was talked about years ago, things change as with time. Old subjects may be re-looked at since people's perspectives and outlooks change. The point of debate itself isn't wrong. Banning someone for bringing up an old issue such as this would be unjustified unless it was a direct necro without any meaningful discussion.

Although he started igniting the spark of this topic, it's ultimately the players who feel very strongly about this topic who would speak up and continue the thread.

Well, how big is the lgbt community in the real world?
1%? Maybe less?

That means from 100 NPCs one is part of it.
So to meet 2 we have to meet about 200 different NPCs.

Also, they are normal just like everyone else, so from the small interactions we have with random NPCs we can Not say if the are LBGDT or not.
And if I remember right, then we already have met a few gay NPCs.
Well the whole azim step is full of NPCs who doesn't care about genderspezific roles.

i would be happy for some romance in that way via side quests o/
i dont like if it would be in main story or something, but why not === i must say i dont miss lack of LGBT NPCs because you can find those ppl behind irl characters there so uh

yep why not :D if someone missing them , im sure there is no way to say never

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Well, how big is the lgbt community in the real world?
1%? Maybe less?

That means from 100 NPCs one is part of it.
So to meet 2 we have to meet about 200 different NPCs.

Also, they are normal just like everyone else, so from the small interactions we have with random NPCs we can Not say if the are LBGDT or not.
And if I remember right, then we already have met a few gay NPCs.
Well the whole azim step is full of NPCs who doesn't care about genderspezific roles.

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7 to 10% in the western world are out as Homosexual. The percentage of out Gay in nations where it is illegal is less than that. To get an accurate assessment of the total % of LGBTQ+ people in the world is impossible at this point in history, even in the "enlightened Western World" coming out can cost you a career, and ruin your life. I live in Los Angeles and being an Out Transgender Woman means I can no longer get a job in my chosen profession, even though I have a college education and years of experience doing the work. There is a reason only a small percentage of us are willing to come out. Trust me the numbers are much higher than you could guess.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

7 to 10% in the western world are out as Homosexual. The percentage of out Gay in nations where it is illegal is less than that.

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The 10% stat is by proportion, unless the argument is that certain ethnic or racial populations have statistically higher percentages of LGBT people (which could be the case but I havent seen any meaningful study which says that there is a huge statistical difference in this). Meaning, that the general go to number of "Roughly 10% of the population is LGBT" is in reference that on average, no matter where you go, thats about the break down. This number isnt 100% accurate either, as some studies have suggested LGBT pop size is as high as 20%, and some as low as 7%.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

To get an accurate assessment of the total % of LGBTQ+ people in the world is impossible at this point in history, even in the "enlightened Western World" coming out can cost you a career, and ruin your life. I live in Los Angeles and being an Out Transgender Woman means I can no longer get a job in my chosen profession, even though I have a college education and years of experience doing the work. There is a reason only a small percentage of us are willing to come out. Trust me the numbers are much higher than you could guess.

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Gonna be blunt and say that Im skeptical that youre not getting work cause youre Trans, cause Im also a SoCal resident in LA County area, and do active business within LA itself and the surrounding cities. I know the political and social atmosphere in SoCal here first hand as a result. And just so people understand what is being suggested, what Gothic is saying would be akin to suggesting that San Franscisco is a rightwing/conservative stronghold. I could see there being discrimination in some small town in Michigan or Alabama or something, but one of the largest urban areas in one of the most progressive states in the US? Please. So paint me skeptical with a big fat brush when the claim is that someone is being discriminated against for being transgender in SoCal at an industry level.

Just one of many resources and links that you can quickly google to help illustrate this:
https://www.aclusocal.org/en/know-yo...loyment-rights

So there is no industry within SoCal (let alone California) that would discriminate against you openly cause that is a cut and dry lawsuit waiting to happen, and I hazard that there is none that would do it as 'a widely known secret.' It's one thing to say people are jerks to you on an individual basis which very well may be the case, but it's another to be arguing that California (of many places) is somehow allowing businesses and industries just openly discriminate against you employment wise. If it is the way you say, then what are you doing sitting here writing out posts on this forum and not getting a Civil Right Lawyer and suing the hell out of people for refusing to hire you for being openly trans. Again, this would be a cut and dry case in SoCal here if you knew it to be a fact.

Most every report, study, and/or poll I've seen has LGBT at 4.5 (U.S.) to 6% (various West-European countries). That's not just for homosexuality, that's the full spectrum outside of heterosexuality. Where are you getting 7-10% for homosexuality alone in the West overall from?

Not trying to argue, just never seen the 7-10% figure before and I couldn't find a concrete source on it. Is it just an extension of your statement about populations being afraid to come out, and you adding some percentage onto the confirmed population? Or was there a more recent study I didn't stumble across you can show?

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Gonna be blunt and say that Im skeptical that youre not getting work cause youre Trans, cause Im also a SoCal resident in LA County area, and do active business within LA itself and the surrounding cities. I know the political and social atmosphere in SoCal here first hand as a result. And just so people understand what is being suggested, what Gothic is saying would be akin to suggesting that San Franscisco is a rightwing/conservative stronghold. I could see there being discrimination in some small town in Michigan or Alabama or something, but one of the largest urban areas in one of the most progressive states in the US? Please. So paint me skeptical with a big fat brush when the claim is that someone is being discriminated against for being transgender in SoCal at an industry level.

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So there is no industry within SoCal (let alone California) that would discriminate against you openly cause that is a cut and dry lawsuit waiting to happen, and I hazard that there is none that would do it as 'a widely known secret.' It's one thing to say people are jerks to you on an individual basis which very well may be the case, but it's another to be arguing that California (of many places) is somehow allowing businesses and industries just openly discriminate against you employment wise. If it is the way you say, then what are you doing sitting here writing out posts on this forum and not getting a Civil Right Lawyer and suing the hell out of people for refusing to hire you for being openly trans. Again, this would be a cut and dry case in SoCal here if you knew it to be a fact.

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Nice resource, the link doesn't actually work BTW. As to my situation, I lost my job as a Home Care worker because I started to transition, however, my former employer said it was a Voluntary Quit, I fought them in court and won, but in the end, I never got my Job back and all I got was Unemployment out of it. That was 10 years ago. The hardest part of this was the company has close ties with other Home Care companies, and they basically Black Balled me so I could never work as a Home Care Worker again in Los Angeles. Sure I could try and go back to my pre-college profession of Motorcycle Mechanics, but what are the chances a 50y.o. Transgender Woman who doesn't "pass" getting hired by a Harley-Davidson Shop. I'll wait. The laws only help you if you can afford the fight, and there is nothing you can do to use the Law to get a Job. Sure if I had a boatload of cash, I could sue everyone who didn't hire me in 2010 in all the Home Care Companies, what would that do? Nothing. They could just say any number of excuses and win. My fight with the first company taught me, I was able to win and turn the voluntary quit to being fired, but they just said there were "disciplinary issues & Clothing Issues". (none on record BTW) That was code for "they started estrogen and wore women's clothing".

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Originally Posted by Shalan

Most every report, study, and/or poll I've seen has LGBT at 4.5 (U.S.) to 6% (various West-European countries). That's not just for homosexuality, that's the full spectrum outside of heterosexuality. Where are you getting 7-10% for homosexuality alone in the West overall from?

Not trying to argue, just never seen the 7-10% figure before and I couldn't find a concrete source on it. Is it just an extension of your statement about populations being afraid to come out, and you adding some percentage onto the confirmed population? Or was there a more recent study I didn't stumble across you can show?

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It comes from the first scientific study, which was done by Alfred Kinsey in the late 1940s. His study was fairly direct, and he was able to get closeted gay men to admit they were gay for the study. To date, it's the only one that got closeted men to admit a thing. There are some issues with his study, as it was done on a college campus, and so he didn't have a large sample size, nor a multi-ethnic one.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Nice resource, the link doesn't actually work BTW. As to my situation, I lost my job as a Home Care worker because I started to transition, however, my former employer said it was a Voluntary Quit, I fought them in court and won, but in the end, I never got my Job back and all I got was Unemployment out of it. That was 10 years ago. The hardest part of this was the company has close ties with other Home Care companies, and they basically Black Balled me so I could never work as a Home Care Worker again in Los Angeles. Sure I could try and go back to my pre-college profession of Motorcycle Mechanics, but what are the chances a 50y.o. Transgender Woman who doesn't "pass" getting hired by a Harley-Davidson Shop. I'll wait. The laws only help you if you can afford the fight, and there is nothing you can do to use the Law to get a Job. Sure if I had a boatload of cash, I could sue everyone who didn't hire me in 2010 in all the Home Care Companies, what would that do? Nothing. They could just say any number of excuses and win. My fight with the first company taught me, I was able to win and turn the voluntary quit to being fired, but they just said there were "disciplinary issues & Clothing Issues". (none on record BTW) That was code for "they started estrogen and wore women's clothing".

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Fixed the link.

Second, you pretty much again have a lawsuit on hand if theyre discriminating against you cause your trans and you know it. And, again being socal here and knowing whats up, I am skeptical you were kept out of the industry cause youre trans. You had 1 bad employer (which Im willing to grant) but the idea that theyre so connected that the entirety of SoCal Home Care industry black balled you specifically cause they all went with "Well screw this person cause theyre trans!" Particularly since the FEHA was expanded in 2003 to include Gender Identity among other things. I know the industry isnt a million strong in California, but its upwards of 13k-ish workers at the least as of 2017 from what the stats say, with a bulk of it located in SoCal area. Given the size of SoCal itself, I am still skeptical that one company or a single employer had enough pull to make sure you never got a job anywhere else. Something here isnt adding up in your story which is why Im skeptical.

Also, going back to Harley to be a mechanic but you assume people wont hire you, again, cause youre a 50 year old trans person? Ill grant that there will likely be some bigots in the mix that you unfortunately would have to deal with, and of course you shouldnt have to, but again, the idea the 'whole industry' is saying nah to you cause your trans? Based on how you phrased what you said, it sounds like you made an assumption and didnt even try. So whos gonna hire you? I dont know, but neither do you cause you didnt try to apply it seems. You cant make assumptions about things and say thats the way it is when you never even put yourself out there. At least with your experience in home care, as skeptical as I am about some of the details, seems like you did put yourself out there for that.

Look. Im not gonna sit here and suggest youve never faced discrimination. Im well aware that there are plenty of a-holes in the world whod put you down for simply being different. However, Im reluctant to give credit to your story because it seems to hallmark perfect almost - you were attacked for being different, took it to court and one, and the evil employer black balled you from an entire industry for being trans as retaliation.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

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Well in 2010, the industry was quite small in the San Fernando Valley, and the local Harley shops, and Living Support companies which said they were hiring said they had filled the position when I came to fill out applications back then. It was rather odd since there is never enough Living Support Workers in the Valley, and just happens the three companies other than JNCS were not hiring when I filled out applications. So you tell me if it's odd that companies who said they were hiring said they were full when I applied in 2010. Sure I gave up trying to find new work by 2012, by then I got my 100% Service-connected rating with the VA pushed through. So I won't have to work again and get a decent income. But from 2010 to 2012 it was difficult only with Unemployment. And not being able to find a job, when I applied everywhere, in the two professions I'm actually trained for.

Don't assume the NPC's sexual preferences :P

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

How do people do this? Seriously equating a Gay man making a child with a woman, and going to "Sees them as Breeding stock."

I'm only attracted to men, I'm a Transgender Female, but when I was pretending to be male back in the 90s, I was married to a woman. We did married couples things. I still love her, even though I couldn't give her the love she deserved. Gay men can and often do have women they love, and might even have skinship with. This does not mean they think of them as a womb only. Also on this note, back in the wayback machine, when being Gay was illegal in most of the USA ie 2003 (Lawrence v. Texas). Gay men and lesbian women would often marry and have kids to hide that they were gay. Tons of famous actors fell into this category, where they married for a press release, and had kids to prove they were straight.

Now straight men, on the other hand especially in very religious circles, and in very religious nations do often think of women as a womb to bare Boy children. But this is not a discussion of the danger of conservative monotheism and the danger it holds to western civilization.

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If you go back, you'll realize I was responding to the "carefully chosen words" bit, sarcastically demonstrating further how no matter what you say, it can easily be misconstrued.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Well in 2010, the industry was quite small in the San Fernando Valley, and the local Harley shops, and Living Support companies which said they were hiring said they had filled the position when I came to fill out applications back then. It was rather odd since there is never enough Living Support Workers in the Valley, and just happens the three companies other than JNCS were not hiring when I filled out applications. So you tell me if it's odd that companies who said they were hiring said they were full when I applied in 2010. Sure I gave up trying to find new work by 2012, by then I got my 100% Service-connected rating with the VA pushed through. So I won't have to work again and get a decent income. But from 2010 to 2012 it was difficult only with Unemployment. And not being able to find a job, when I applied everywhere, in the two professions I'm actually trained for.

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Speaking as someone who has done a ton of entry level HR work in my life all this sounds like to me was that you were being let down gently about not getting these jobs. There is more to becoming employed somewhere than just showing up and fogging a mirror.

You had two rather specialized fields that you wanted to work in which already severely limited your potential employability because you're discounting things like retail and service industry jobs in general. Retail specialty is largely female dominated at an entry level and is (and has been, in my experience) one of the friendliest options to LGBT people for a long time.

I think a very valid potential explanation to your employment troubles could simply be that you didn't have strong references. You admit as much, claiming that a past employer would even go out of their way to spread word of issues with you to their competition.

Honestly, looking at this externality it just seems like you may not have been the best employee and want to attribute actions against that to being trans rather than for actual shortcomings you may have had. Even if a company would be stupid enough (and brave enough, frankly - it's a huge financial risk) to fire someone for being trans they aren't going to then hold some sort of grudge against you big enough for them to openly badmouth you to other companies. Do you realize how over the top that sounds?

I 100% support you in your right to transition and recieve all the care you want, I would denounce anyone saying anything otherwise as would any reasonable person. Those people are bad people. The issue here is when you attribute transphobic malice to things that have so many easier (and less serious) explainations - it will invariably make people more skeptical about claims of transphobia in the future. It is quite literally the girl who cried wolf.

I'm glad at least this has a happy ending and that you're financially sound now but I do think the way some of this thinking has shaped your worldview is unfortunate. There are not awful transphobes around every corner. Most people literally don't care beyond either being more or less sexually/romantically attracted to you because of being trans.

Oh. . .this is still going. . .

This game has bigger issue's then the sexual orientation of npc's. Being that no sex is allowed in this (T) rated game. Now the lack of Red Couches in this game is really frustrating though.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Because although this guy is technically a troll, he also brought up a point of debate - and hence why people would debate on the issue so furiously. Even if this topic was talked about years ago, things change as with time. Old subjects may be re-looked at since people's perspectives and outlooks change. The point of debate itself isn't wrong. Banning someone for bringing up an old issue such as this would be unjustified unless it was a direct necro without any meaningful discussion.

Although he started igniting the spark of this topic, it's ultimately the players who feel very strongly about this topic who would speak up and continue the thread.

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Well here's the thing though: the mods wouldn't be banning this guy under necroing a thread; they'd be banning him because he's repeatedly necroing threads left and right. To begin with, the modding here is as night and day compared to other gaming forums. For example, the mods that I knew over at Nexon wouldn't give 2 shits about pretense. They were the type that would merge topics that looked similar, lock up inflammatory threads (and give an explanation why they lock it), and did not tolerate the presence of trolls that did not know when to stop. You know how kids in school try to use rules as a shield to get around stuff they knew was bad? Well the mods would use those same rules to their advantage too and ban trolls on the premise that the TOS allows them to suspend accounts for whatever reason they see fit.

Of course, this was like, maybe a decade ago? No idea if the forum modding over there is the same style, same rules, etc. All I'm trying to say is that the mods here could try to wipe the crap that's being thrown in their eyes under the veil of "legit" points and be a tad more aggressive towards the appropriate people.

Please this is a japanese game. Dont bring your western ideas into it.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Please this is a japanese game. Dont bring your western ideas into it.

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How is LGBT identity a Western idea? Do you think LGBT individuals don't exist in the West?

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

How is LGBT identity a Western idea? Do you think LGBT individuals don't exist in the West?

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That's clearly what she thinks. You nailed it. /s

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Originally Posted by Edax

That's clearly what she thinks. You nailed it. /s

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The idea that LGBT representation as "Western Idea" is idiotic though.

What does that even mean. That LGBT representation is something that Japanese people, companies, etc, shouldn't be concerned about? Eh, nah.

And if people are not comfortable speaking about this, they should take time to reflect and ask themselves why is that.

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

The idea that LGBT representation as "Western Idea" is idiotic though.

What does that even mean. That LGBT representation is something that Japanese people, companies, etc, shouldn't be concerned about? Eh, nah.

And if people are not comfortable speaking about this, they should take time to reflect and ask themselves why is that.

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NO company should be concerned about it unless that is their focus. SquareEnix makes games. They aren't a company founded, or focusing, on LGBT issues. Stop shoving your politics into everything and everywhere it has no place to be. It only results in the destruction of the company and causing division in the community, with anyone not agreeing with you being label -ists, -isms, and -phobes.
Stop it!

Also, being comfortable about talking about it or not is completely irrelevant. THIS IS A GAME FORUM! If you want "talk" about this stuff, go to Twitter. You'll find plenty of people who will reinforce your echo chamber about it there.