Request for Utsusemi

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

No, god please no.

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How I read it =)
Anyway! For anybody who doesn't know what an Utsusemi is: FFXIclopedia article of Utsusemi

I must say I find it interesting though! I would be glad to see that in action the day we (might) have the Ninja job.

Exactly, Tezz. Just put a 2min recast on it. There's the 30secs devs were targeting for mob kills and an answer to shadow abuse.

For those asking, "Why do we need Utsusemi when we have Stoneskin?":

I was going to go for the easy answer and bring up that THF never subbed WHM, but I'll try and dig a little deeper. Perhaps it would work, but for what I see, damage completely negated is better than sustaining damage. If grouping/pulling/fighting a dangerous horde of mobs is part of the game, then what sense does it make to punish (damage/threat of death) those simply trying to play?

If you're going to comment, please do yourself a favor and do not bother falling back on "OMG HAHA OP JUST WANTS EZ MODE NO DMG TAKEN WTF THIS GAME IS TOO EZ ALREADY MORON GO PLAY WOW CAN I HAVE YOUR GIL!!!!!!!"

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Exactly, Tezz. Just put a 2min recast on it. There's the 30secs devs were targeting for mob kills and an answer to shadow abuse.

For those asking, "Why do we need Utsusemi when we have Stoneskin?":

I was going to go for the easy answer and bring up that THF never subbed WHM, but I'll try and dig a little deeper. Perhaps it would work, but for what I see, damage completely negated is better than sustaining damage. If grouping/pulling/fighting a dangerous horde of mobs is part of the game, then what sense does it make to punish (damage/threat of death) those simply trying to play?

If you're going to comment, please do yourself a favor and do not bother falling back on "OMG HAHA OP JUST WANTS EZ MODE NO DMG TAKEN WTF THIS GAME IS TOO EZ ALREADY MORON GO PLAY WOW CAN I HAVE YOUR GIL!!!!!!!"

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It's also just a nice option for many of the new/abilities they'll have to choose from in the future. Then they have to decide if it's a class or job ability & if it's enhanced by traits or armor at all.

There's many things they could do, i think they should go for it in the future.

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Originally Posted by Wirritosama

Request for ninja before utsu, Jesus... I thought nin was badass but a tactical DD for nin in this game would be great. At this point I just want any class with dual... Utsusemi to bard? My rage is rising

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Archer to Bard? There's a club already established for Bard-rage.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I'm too jaded from people making me sub nin on DRG and MNK in XI. I think we'll just have to disagree and agree that we have differing points of opinion on where the fault lies. For me its balance, and for you its a community issue.

As far as bard goes, I fraking LOVE having a buffer in my pt, but yea go go thm skills?

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Why can't people understand that players /NIN on their melee classes because of tank and enmity issues, hence out of necessity, either of which is not due to the spell or its effects being abused.

New Job Ninja with job specific spell Utsusemi yes please!

Lmao! People so sensetive, must be that time of the month. And FYi I loved nin/blu war/nin nin as a class and shadow tanking. So what there would be another tank keep utsu one class spell. If bard has buffs/debuffs why would it need a shadow spell? It's ninjutsu meaning ninja only.

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Originally Posted by Wirritosama

Lmao! People so sensetive, must be that time of the month. And FYi I loved nin/blu war/nin nin as a class and shadow tanking. So what there would be another tank keep utsu one class spell. If bard has buffs/debuffs why would it need a shadow spell? It's ninjutsu meaning ninja only.

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Call it what you want, I just used Utsusemi for the purposes of clarity and familiarity. I've already mentioned why I think Bard needs shadows.

Then that's a dif story, your topic says " Utsusemi "

I'm all for Utsusemi coming back.

How I miss nin tanking.

I don't see eastern jobs coming until an expansion.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You know whats worse then Utsusemi ? If you played FFXI recently you know what I am talking about.

Fanatics Drinks.

Ok so they fixed Paladin tanking, gave them an over powered shield. Ochain - it blocks 90-100% of the time for a 90-100% damage reduction and if somehow you do take some damage get 35% of that damage converted to MP so you can't really run out of mp.

But in Voidwatch the current high endgame content. you don't need a tank when everyone spams Fanatics Drinks which are constantly getting refreshed throughout the fight which make players invincible to the mobs attacks and tp moves. Better to load up your party with WAR, SAM, MNK, DRK BLM, BLU, COR, ect to kill the mob faster.

So yea they fixed blood tanking with Ochain but you don't even need a tank for anything sad isn't it your practically immune to physical damage now and nobody wants you. Ukko's Fury, Tachi:Shoha, Wildfire that stuff to death.

SE has never been nice to tanks.

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If you actually played FFXI recently you would know the reason people "load up the party with SAM, MNK, DRK, BLM etc" is because of job specific triggers in Voidwatch, not to "kill the mob faster". You want to stagger the hell out of some VW NMs or you'll get raped. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Wirritosama

I don't see eastern jobs coming until an expansion.

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I was thinking about this as well. Some of the nostalgia that I miss from XI is the Japanese touch that 14 seems to be missing. Can we have more Japan in FFXIV?

Honestly if they want to put in Utsu. I hope it's the same time they put in ninja. Also I hope it doesn't have a short cast timer that allows nin to tank. If brd gets a shadow move. It should be a song. Not a Ninjutsu spell that honestly It has no reason knowing as a Main ability.

Utsusemi ruined FFXI? Hahaha
Good one.

Blame yourselves for casting ichi over ni.

"Oh no, we had to farm to buy the scroll"
"We had to get NIN to 37"

First world problems.

No, because having blink shadows that take the damage for you turns a class from it's intended purpose into a tank. I personally don't want a Bard to be tanking for me.

And if you're confused, that is what happened to poor old ninja in XI. It was developed as a support DD, able to enhance the elemental damage of the mages, and help to keep the enemy from attacking via paralysis, blind, and bind effects.

But of course, it had Utsusemi, unfortunately latched onto by the players as a cheap way of tanking. And eventually the Devs bowed to this unexpected play style and adapted future Nin gear and Jutsu to enhance it's ability to tank.

I weep for what Nin could have been, had it been allowed, on occassion i had parties where i wasn't the tank and i got to have so much fun with my tools.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

No, because having blink shadows that take the damage for you turns a class from it's intended purpose into a tank. I personally don't want a Bard to be tanking for me.

And if you're confused, that is what happened to poor old ninja in XI. It was developed as a support DD, able to enhance the elemental damage of the mages, and help to keep the enemy from attacking via paralysis, blind, and bind effects.

But of course, it had Utsusemi, unfortunately latched onto by the players as a cheap way of tanking. And eventually the Devs bowed to this unexpected play style and adapted future Nin gear and Jutsu to enhance it's ability to tank.

I weep for what Nin could have been, had it been allowed, on occassion i had parties where i wasn't the tank and i got to have so much fun with my tools.

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Like I've said, I understand people's problems with Ninja and Utsusemi in FFXI. However, also like I've said, Bard does not get Flash, Provoke, Taunt or War Drum, and we currently have no reliable way to transfer enmity, so I'm not following why people are so objectionable to it.

Something else I was thinking of, possibly, is how combos based on position would be much easier to trigger under a more solid battle flow. Hence, one tough mob at a time.

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