How's BLM looking?

At 64 blm was doing better than a smn and rdm in normal dungeons, du to thunder iv.

But at 70 blm get foul, 30 every 30 sec only, if they don't drop an astral, which can happen faster than before. Spells peed is slower and you cant move as early as before when finishing a cast. Blm has feels more clunky, like during 3.0 and 3.1, new moves aside.

At 70 the smn have an equal footing, smn get buffed between 64 an 70.

I'm thinking at this point its not going to and BLM will maintain the full advantage. I have no doubt about the effectiveness of Thunder IV. Already with just Thunder 2, the AoE and procs are astonishing when combined with F2's and Flare. Against Red Mage I don't know yet. I've only see that one to level 54 at this point the speedy damage from the Red Mage may come out on top, I don't know. But up to that point they're very competitive... Summoner not so much.

In PoTD the Summoner in our group fell behind even with faster Festers in the upper levels.

The only thing SMN will have at 64-70 is the Bahamut pet that you only get for 20 seconds every 3 minutes... it's nerfed damage for the other 3 minutes. I doubt its going to come out in the wash at all.

Im glad that people who understand how Bahamut actually works are way more realistic than you'll ever be able to ^^'

Thats great and all,

But so far the Summoner Nerfs are playing out exactly like I said predicted they would.

you are right: "so far" - lets see if one of us hits 70 ^^

If SMN falls too far behind no biggie they'll just buff it again. I'm just glad I like RDM enough. The biggest problem with going through SMN nerfs in the past was that I never had another caster that I liked. Now I can just go back and forth between SMN/RDM whenever one gets the nerf hammer too hard. I'll never leave it completely though as I played it since I started and I just love the lore of SMN.

I've never been concerned over BLMs superior single target, I mean it rocked that title in 3.0 it's just that in heavy mechanics fights SMN often took the lead. It never mattered to me though, everyone has that one class they don't want to touch, and playing BLM is like watching paint dry for me. While the combo system/ dualcast with RDM almost makes you feel as mobile as a SMN. Love it!

BLM should always be strongest in single target, otherwise it loses it's identity and the reason for playing one. If RDM and SMN had the same pontencies, well you'd probably rarely see a BLM around and everyone would take RDM/SMN in raids instead due to higher mobility. So BLM needs to keep it's identity. It needs high damage to justify a lot of it's other shortcomings like not being as mobile.

Now if only I can actually stop getting booted from the game enough to level RDM and SMN. Times like this, I hate being on Balmung.

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

At 64 blm was doing better than a smn and rdm in normal dungeons, du to thunder iv.

But at 70 blm get foul, 30 every 30 sec only, if they don't drop an astral, which can happen faster than before. Spells peed is slower and you cant move as early as before when finishing a cast. Blm has feels more clunky, like during 3.0 and 3.1, new moves aside.

At 70 the smn have an equal footing, smn get buffed between 64 an 70.

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Foul is once per minute. Upon using foul polygot drops.

I am no hardcore raider and I probably know even less about how each caster job works perfectly, but I just get the feeling that the devs are trying to create better caster synergy. This way, casters are even more viable than ever in raids and so forth. I feel that when adjusting all of the jobs, the devs looked at it from the perspective of raiding and overall synergy combined with damage output. SMN = High Mobility (caster buffer/debuffer/Excellent Utility), BLM = High ST and good AOE/no utility, RDM = Speedy damage/utility/mobility/okay ST/subpar AOE until you get the rest of the kit. Just my opinion.

With the recent role changes though, all casters dps have some sort of utility, even if it is not what we would like it to be. I am sure, same as everyone, if the devs see that SMN is underperforming by to great a margin then it will be adjusted. I think for now, all of the caster dps are okay but they could still do with some minor adjustments here and there. Beyond that, I feel that with all of the utility additions to SMN, I WANT to be in a party with a SMN/RDM because they buff everyones damge. It is kind of like SMN/RDM are in a good position to raid etc. Again, just my opinion.

Why once per minute? When polyglot falls off, won't it be reapplied as soon as enochian is up again for 30 sec, and therefor foul can be reused?

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Umbral Heart lets you get off 5 F2 before Flare so that's cool I guess.

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The sad part it is that F2 is not worth it on 3 mobs anymore :<

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

Why once per minute? When polyglot falls off, won't it be reapplied as soon as enochian is up again for 30 sec, and therefor foul can be reused?

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It appears i was mistaken upon using foul the polygot gauge still keeps ticking towards another foul. So it IS every 30s.

Mine apologies.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

The sad part it is that F2 is not worth it on 3 mobs anymore :<

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Youre correct as well f2 x 3 mobs = 444 potency and fire 4 is 481. Youll actively be punished aoeing until level 58.

yep, f2 feels a bit broken imo., even if t4 is supposed to compensate that...,

f2 should do 90 Base, would equal f4, if f2 is done on 3 mobs (one of the most commen mob set up), and lower f2 mp cost, a bit lower than f4 mp, just to be able to maybe get am extant cast if done under u-hearts

So at current even with thunder 4 its better to thunder 4 then fire 4 anything at 3 mobs or below which is most pulls.

4+ is now the new level for aoe to beT our single target until level 58 which i think our aoe will be something like f4 f4 flare flare on 3 mobs and f2 f2 flare flare on 4+.

At current summoners aoe at -80% beats our fire 2 by 12 potency and only goes up as the dr decreases, mixed with garudas aoe, enkindles, 5s painflare and DT every minute and even with t4 summoner should beat our aoe on a static sample until 58.

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

At current summoners aoe at -80% beats our fire 2 by 12 potency and only goes up as the dr decreases, mixed with garudas aoe, enkindles, 5s painflare and DT every minute and even with t4 summoner should beat our aoe on a static sample until 58.

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Just waiting for my "Blm buddy" to reply for this ;3
(couldn't resist sry .__. Psy hopefully you know that I actually really like you)

Did some of you not look at the jobs page that was made? It shows what was nerfed, blm has more then some were saying.
Smn and blm should be close, in real settings that is. POTD i am sorry cannot be used as comparison, lol

Once players actually make it to 70, they can start making calculations and all that stuff, then we will see were both jobs stand and red mage with seems really good so far.

@ Shiroe, i tend to agree, F2 just does not feel right now

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Originally Posted by Maero

Once players actually make it to 70, they can start making calculations and all that stuff, then we will see were both jobs stand and red mage with seems really good so far

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Finally an objective, realistic statement - lots of love for this one :o

If nothing else, I've grown to really like the new Enochian. Having actually tried it for a while, it feels a lot more dynamic than the old one. The lack of diminishing returns on the refresh makes switching to Umbral Ice not as harmful, and actually useful given the Umbral Hearts you can get from it, and Transpose being all it takes to keep it up really helps both upkeep as well mobility. So that's one change I'm really happy with, number crunching aside.

:D
Have you tried Red Mage yet Neela?
I must say i am loving it

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:D
Have you tried Red Mage yet Neela?
I must say i am loving it

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"Sadly" I missed early access due to my 2 week vacation in spain - I'll be returning 2morrow and can't wait to jump in :3

But yeah everything I read and heard from my fc & static Rdm sounds like a great fun - they said it could fit me actually pretty well. I guess it will be my first agenda after receiving Bahamut to get on par with my static lvls :3

Oh hey i would have missed early access given the choice to go to Spain, haha
I am sure you will love it

Yeah thought that as well even my static forced me to go xD
I'll give ya call when i tried both smn & rdm :3

I was not very impressed by the BLM at the beginning. The potency nerf of 36 from F4 and the missing of Raging Strike felt big. But now I am in love again right after I used Foul the first time. It feels really satisfying to use it and does a ton of damage which explains the f4 nerf.
The Problem I have is that I drop Enochian here and there. I rarely droped it at 3.X. I don't know if it's bugged or because of the server delay, but if I transpose at ~1 sec left of either fire/ice I loose Enochian even if I get the other buff. Loosing Enochian isn't THAT bad anymore since it can be recasted in 30 sec, but it still hurts to loose the saved time for foul. I was a bit skeptical after I read the tool tips, since the BLM does not bring any raid utility, but I'm sure that the BLM is in a good spot right now.

My SMN buddy just felt the same. He was pretty dissapointed at the beginning. But he loves his class right after he summoned Bahamut. And holy, that thing hits like a truck. The AoE damage from the SMN is still amazing. The short cooldown of Deathflare, Akh Morn and the way more use of Enkindle makes the bane nerf not that dramatic like some ppl trying to tell.

See the other blm post. Enochian has been dropping prematurely for a few of us and it is not due to not following rotations and watching timer, cannot figure out why.
It is very frustrating atm. It can very well be server related also as casting does seem rather slow despite having high ss,.

Ever since they moved the NA servers, I have seen a delay pop up constantly. This issue has been consistent since the move from the Canada location. I think this may be a relation to your Enocian falling off "earlier". I hate the NA servers now. Never had these issues before the move.