In that case, would it be ok with you if, in return for removing the mechanics, they removed the story, minion, titles, gear, tomestones used for crafting, music sheets and wondrous stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
You will never be like me. I cleared T1-T13 and ARR EX primals synced. You could do that, but based upon your posts, you won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.
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04-26-2017, 06:27 AMIstaru
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04-26-2017, 06:33 AMThirdChild_ZKI/dropmic 10charQuote:
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04-26-2017, 06:35 AMSettiesama
Taking bets he'll reply with something completely irrelevant to what we've all just posted.
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04-26-2017, 06:35 AMDaikiKiyoshiOff topic but your sig is so fitting for this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Istaru
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04-26-2017, 06:36 AMSilverquickThe only thing its worth at this point is the Tomestones... and those you can get from any given level 50 dungeon... that and storyline since it links the 1.0 story to ARR...Quote:
Originally Posted by Istaru
Other than that... name me anything of value in there at level 60... other than maybe a glamor option... of which it can all be crafted anyway.
But that last point is the REAL reason this sticks in your craw so much...
You can't handle that the game itself left your "achievements" in the dust as it outgrew them... and you for that matter.
Yeah back in the day this was like.. uber and stuff for you... but pssst that's Alexander and Dun now... and those will be left in ashes too once Stormblood comes out...
You're that out of touch with reality...
The only way your "achievements" live on is if Bahamut gets updated to the current level content and made relevent... but if that's too much... then you may as well just drop it back down to normal level 50 content... because that's all its worth at this point.
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04-26-2017, 06:36 AMVincent_Mateus
Maybe you should try and actually improve your gameplay and beat averagely difficult content instead of asking for nerfs. What's insulting about this post, is that you act like coil was ever popular in the duty finder to begin with. It was essentially Alexander Savage. Scrubs weren't trying to go into it, and if you couldn't handle it, tough. I for one would help people clear, and still help people clear that either want to see the story, or accept the challenge of an epic raid. The devs don't need to revamp this to 60/70 content because of a single, lazy, entitled player wants it. Most of us would rather have more challenging raids, more options for raids, or more 'new' content in general.
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04-26-2017, 06:40 AMSettiesamaDun is Uber? Lolwut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
But seriously. You can craft the glamour, but guess what? The items.... COME FROM COILS... (Also I can dots like you). No one has ever mentioned, or gave a damn about the achievements in this thread. In fact, you just won the bets for being completely irrelevant to what we've all been saying. You are still just seeking for stuff that isn't here in defense.
Edit: I've been trying to figure it out, and you know what.... I can't. How exactly does us wanting to keep Coils the way they are... Make it look like we can't handle the achievements being 'worthless' now? If we did, wouldn't we be on your side to boost the difficulty to 60? No, we don't want that, because we don't care that the achievements are more easily obtained. -
04-26-2017, 06:45 AMBloody30th time: Orchestrion Roll. Also, to be able to craft said glamors, somebody needs to clear the content. /logicQuote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
People can't handle the fact that the content is old and not the same as it originally was? They handle it just fine. More like you can't handle some basic mechanics even with over-level, over-gear, and 20% stat boost. I think it's pretty clear that the problem isn't the content. Who is out of touch? :rolleyes: -
04-26-2017, 06:49 AMDualgunnerGuys I figured it out! If Silverquick doesn't value something, neither should the world. I think we solved every issue humanity has ever faced!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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But that last point is the REAL reason this sticks in your craw so much...
You can't handle that the game itself left your "achievements" in the dust as it outgrew them... and you for that matter.
Hahaha ouch. It is a big game though, maybe it's time for you to grow into it?
Dun Scaith? Fucking DUN SCAITH?! LMAOQuote:
Yeah back in the day this was like.. uber and stuff for you... but pssst that's Alexander and Dun now... and those will be left in ashes too once Stormblood comes out...
Dun Scaith is 3.x's CT, *not* 3.x's Coil. Oh and I suppose they should go back and make Crystal Tower easy enough for 8 people now too because its not relevant anymore?
You're lookin' at a mirror now bud.Quote:
You're that out of touch with reality...
It *is* normal Lv50 content lmaoQuote:
The only way your "achievements" live on is if Bahamut gets updated to the current level content and made relevent... but if that's too much... then you may as well just drop it back down to normal level 50 content... because that's all its worth at this point.
Savage Coil is arguably above Lv50 in terms of difficulty but all the other coils are perfectly easy to do at 50. You just have to...what's that? Follow mechanics! But those are for cars and people who follow mechanics are out of touch with reality. All the cool kids smash their face on the keyboard and expect rewards!
Good job wiping to dinosaur content then? If it's irrelevant then what are you?Quote:
Right now its just a half assed relic from your "glory days"... but pretty much irrelevent in the grand scheme of things.
What exactly is it you want out of coil? Gear? Go buy it if you can't mechanic. Story? Youtube. Other than that I can't think of what you want since obviously you don't understand the value of glams to a majority of the playerbase.
What value is coil to a lv60? Glamour, music, prep gear for Stormblood, prep gear for any alt job you get to 50, crafting materials to make gear and earn a mint off of it, story, challenge. What do you or anyone else get out of it being nerfed to dungeon level content or buffed up to 60? Glamour? Music? -
04-26-2017, 06:51 AMSilverquickOh yeah because like... I totally want to go through a 50th level dungeon at level 60 to learn mechanics that are completely irrelevent at my level when I could be doing other mechanics in much harder content at level 60...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody
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04-26-2017, 06:53 AMSettiesama
I do love this selective replying. Focuses one post and completely ignores the rest.
Because you aren't doing them synced at level 50..? Sophia Ex having harder mechanics than T9 is just laughable. Several muck up in Sophia, it's still recoverable... One person mucked up in T9, and that was it. The mechanics aren't completely irrelevant anyway, alot are still used today in the newer content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
I'm under the impression he himself doesn't know anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
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04-26-2017, 06:55 AMDualgunnerThen feckin' don't do it mate. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
So what's the complaint?Quote:
Hell in Sophia Ex alone the mechanics are far worse than anything I saw in Coils...
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04-26-2017, 07:00 AMBloodyWhich makes this thread even more hilarious. I hope you realize that many mechanics used in the current raids and EX trials are based on previous mechanics from Coil and ARR EX trials. Tethers, stacking for certain AoEs and spreading for others, Room-wide Debuffs, add placement mechanics (EDD and his shadowy counterpart in Dun), pools, meteors (Ozma says Hi), hell Earthshaker (Sephirot EX and Dun Scaith) comes straight out of T13.... None of the mechanics are irrelevant, you just don't realize it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 07:03 AMSilverquickThat IS the point my friend... I DID... do the mechanics... until we got to the Final Coil turn two and the it broke the instance because it couldn't kill us at level 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?
Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.
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04-26-2017, 07:07 AMSettiesamaHow many posts are you going to ignore? Even at level 50 it had empty queues. Its still relevant due to all the things we had over an entire page of trying to drill into your head. Haven't you realised that the one out of touch is the one standing alone in the debate here? We all gave our valid reasons, and you just reply to one post of many which usually has the least to do with what everyone was saying, and make evidence you've ignored all else in said reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 07:08 AMThirdChild_ZKIHey guess what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
The dash mechanic with the First Demiurge (probably spelled that wrong)? The one that debuffs the target? The one everyone is supposed to line stack for? It's Wild Charge from T10. Happens again in Zurvan Ex.
Remember Ozma? Remember Acceleration Bomb? The square debuff symbol that went appeared over a player's head? It's Blighted Bouquet from Turn 6. I believe I said this earlier. Happens again in A10S, Baelsar's Wall, and with a different coat of paint, it was Pyretic in World of Darkness.
Sohm Al's bosses and their mechanics are literally lesser versions of T6, T11 (your favorite), and T9's mechanics.
So you say level 50 mechanics are irrelevant, but do you even know what's been thrown at you all through Heavensward?
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04-26-2017, 07:08 AMViduYeah, we might not be able to handle that the content is collecting dust now - but other than you we're able to handle the content ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
Again, the reward for me is and always will be challenge itself - something you dismiss so much that I'm pretty sure you dont care for it at all. Which is sad, but okay - your way of enjoying the game doesnt has to fit my way of enjoying the game.
Dun Scaith is a joke. Alexander NM is a joke. I hope you dont think you're somewhat super great because you managed to beat the storymode version of Alexander. Please tell me - have you ever set foot in Savage? Maybe that will show you that this game has actual challenges to offer - and it needs more, not less! Nerfing coil to the level of level 50 dungeons would remove challenging content from the game for no good reason. Trust me: its possible to beat this content - if you want to...
To remind you of rewards again:
- minion and title (one time from the achievment)
- All turns except T3 count towards the tank-mount-achievement - that is ofc not exclusive to coil, but they still do
- gear that can still be used for alt classes - seeing how you're only having one class at 60, that could still be very relevant. My monk was wearing FCoB-gear for the best part of his leveling life
- WT/Khloe
- orchestrion scrolls
- story (and getting to spend time with Urianger and Alisiae <3)
- challenge itself - I dont need a reward, I do things to challenge myself.
I didnt mentioned "glamour" because you dont want to hear that - instead you got a list of other rewards - happy?
I lost count on how many HW-mechanics are coming from coil - starting with that plant boss in Sohm Al NM whos basically T6 for toddlers, going all the way to earthshakers (coming from T13) in both Dun Scaith and Seph trials. Towers in Thordan Ex are T13 - Thordan also has a clear reference to T10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
Having beaten all that content before HW gave me a huge advantage because I look at fights and see certain things that I know from coil - so I'm immidiaitly "Ah, thats just like TXY!"
In a sense you could say that unsyched Coil provides you with a relativly "safe space" to learn about mechanics that are being re-used over and over again. (It works both ways ofc - if you've cleared HW-content and you go back to coil you'll most likely be "Aaah, this is where its from! Okay, I have an idea what to do!")
So... Sophia EX is far worse than Coil (I beg to differ btw - shes one of the easier EX-primals in HW; highly scripted with a pretty decent tolerance for mistakes) but its Coil you cant beat? How does this makes sense here? If Coil is easier than Sophia EX whats your problem? If you can learn mechanics for Sophia EX, why cant you learn mechanics for T11?
(I'll give you one thing here though: Sophia borrows little from coil - still, awesome fight, beautiful dance once you've learned the mechanics!)
You've started with telling us that you failed to properly handle the adds in T11... so you've failed the mechanics - if that resulted indeed in the instance bugging out, thats a technical error that should be adressed, but not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 07:10 AMDualgunnerSo you did the mechanics until T11 when you decided "Nah I'm good let's blitz this". Sounds good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
Also that mechanic you mentioned...sure it didn't kill you but with the average (2000dps per DD) you should still have been able to kill your way through the merged node and failing that, suicided your way through the middle of the arena. If it really was a bug, then it was a bug and should have been recorded and posted for the devs to see and post a patch for it. No bearing on its actual difficulty.
Also you had no trouble until T11. That's perfectly fine, and just shows that no nerfs (or arbitrary number buffs) are needed for coil at all. Just one wayward mechanic to watch out for.
It's relevant to me at 60, I like the glamour outfits and the music. As I stated before, I'm also farming it for prep gear for Stormblood so my SAM and RDM will be geared for up to Lv56 with one set.Quote:
But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?
Then don't do Coils if the rewards aren't relevant to you.Quote:
Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.
"I'm not insane, it's you...ALL OF YOU! YOU'RE THE INSANE ONES! THE WHOLE WORLD IS INSANE!"Quote:
Seriously are you guys really that out of touch that you believe this is some kind of "achievement"?
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04-26-2017, 07:19 AMCrystenhttp://img.pandawhale.com/post-32322...Oh-wa-PgCH.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 07:29 AMSilverquickNo it quite literally broke it, and stranded us there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
The insta kill mechanic failed, then everything went invulnerable so you couldn't kill anything anymore. So locked us in the instance. But again... somehow this is an "achievement" to you?
Basically the dungeon is no longer relevant in this day and age. And the mechanics are pointless at the level its set to.
So unless they update this thing to current levels... its still fades into obscurity and irrelevance... like it is now with the empty queues. Who at 50th level is going to bother with it when they are handed better gear through the MSQ immediately once they get to Heavenward. Not to mention getting sling shotted through the levels to 70th.
Or since the only thing really worth it is the Story portion of it... just make it a normal level challenge at 50th, since... well... 50th level is meaningless now... and even more meaningless once we get to Stormblood. -
04-26-2017, 07:30 AMSettiesamahttp://i.imgur.com/99IoXc4.png?1Quote:
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04-26-2017, 07:30 AMViduWhere you able to reproduce the error?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
Because right now I'd heavly assume that its a technical error, that would need technical looking into - something that needs to be fixed, so the content can once again work as intended.
I did T11 a few weeks ago (we didnt cleared it because people didnt know mechanics and after telling one person to stand out of the baro-field 5 times and they still stood in there, I had it with this group and trying to explain) and even though our adds merged aswell, we still got to see Kalia perform her nerve gas/cloud, a raid-wide AoE that used to wipe you if didnt kill the adds in time - it still happens even if you do kill the adds, but it deals less damage then.
So I see two options here right now:
1) There was a bug that happend for some specific reason (because two things that shouldnt come together came together or something like that) - that would need looking into. Intresting here would be of the question: Can this bug be reproduced? As in: is it something that always/very often happen?
2) There was no problem except you missunderstanding something of the fight - I could actually imagine something along the lines of you expecting the adds merging would wipe you immidiatly; you felt you couldnt deal damage to the add anymore (if you werent close to it, that might actually be the case, its a mechanic, there is a buff for that on the add) and because the timer took so long to run out you assumed something was broken.
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04-26-2017, 07:34 AMAwfulReaaaallllyyy are you suuuuureeee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 07:43 AMThirdChild_ZKIReport it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
It is if you learn the mechanics and handle them so that you avoid an instant kill mechanic that may or may not be bugged. Besides, Leave>requeue>do it right isn't all that hard to do either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
So is Alexander: Gordias, Void Ark, Alexander: Midas, Weeping City of Mhach, and every primal up to Zurvan. But you still have to perform their mechanics if you want to win. Right now, and even later in Stormblood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
Anyone who wants to experience the story, get the items for new jobs from there that may perhaps be added later, or anyone who just simply enjoyed it. Hell, I went in alone just to take some cool pictures recently. Besides, this is simply the nature of gaming content with levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
It IS a normal level challenge at 50. A normal Raid challenge at 50, back when that's what a normal raid was. And even that has been lessened by nerfs and Echo. If you're wanting a level 50 dungeon challenge, go run a level 50 dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 07:54 AMSilverquickDon't worry that's the way I look at you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Settiesama
You're so out of touch with where the game actually is its like you got stuck at level 50... and are still there.
But that's ok, I saw a lot of that in this thread. Its why I seriously wonder if you guys even play this game anymore... none of the things out there are anywhere even close to whatever it was you thought it was.
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04-26-2017, 07:59 AMSettiesamaAnd now you've resorted to plain out failed trolling as you have no defense left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 08:01 AMThirdChild_ZKISo where does that put you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
In level 50 content at 60, failing mechanics and calling it a bug?
Ignoring good advice and information while trying to play holier-than-thou?
Posing nonsensical questions and casting doubt where it's undue?
I'm having a hard time understanding while I'm busy clearing what you can't, performing mechanics properly either at level or above, and more. -
04-26-2017, 08:03 AMViduYep, I'm stuck at level 50 content. Thats how I got all classes to 60, have my main jobs (all tanks, scholar and bard) at an average ilvl raging from 265-270 by making use of current raid-gear from the actual, difficult raids (you know, savage, not Dun Scaith) and got my firebird (thats the mount you get once you got the mounts from all HW-EX-primals).Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
But sure, I'm stuck on level 50...
I'm so out of touch with the game that I have memorized not only all level 50 content (including all coils and EX-primals), but also all HW-EX-primals, trails, dungeons and part of Savage. I'm so out of touch with the game that I can tell you where and how to get about 85% of all the items in the game - most of my friends dont bother using a database, they ask me. I'm so out of touch that I have melded my crafters to be able to craft 4star gear and my gatherers to gather the current toptier items (heck, I even fished for the damn magic bucket minion and got it, despite hating fisher!)
To be honest, I'll admit I'm not to proud of this in the end xD
But I'm nowhere close to be stuck at level 50, just because I'd like to have more challenging content in the game for me to tackle if I wish to do so. -
04-26-2017, 08:08 AMErryKDude, if the content is as irrelevant as you put it, why are you doing it? For some kind of "achievement"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 08:11 AMDualgunnerSo it was a bug, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
It is actually quite an achievement to fail so hard the game breaks, yes.Quote:
The insta kill mechanic failed, then everything went invulnerable so you couldn't kill anything anymore. So locked us in the instance. But again... somehow this is an "achievement" to you?
So don't do them, since there's no point.Quote:
Basically the dungeon is no longer relevant in this day and age. And the mechanics are pointless at the level its set to.
But if there was really no point we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?
Well considering there is no Unsynched DF, the reason is probably because most people PF their way into Coil since going in through DF would sync you to 50, and rare is the player who will do coils at 50.Quote:
So unless they update this thing to current levels... its still fades into obscurity and irrelevance... like it is now with the empty queues.
People leveling alt jobs, for one. Also that's more an issue with the MSQ giving gear out like that, not coils.Quote:
Who at 50th level is going to bother with it when they are handed better gear through the MSQ immediately once they get to Heavenward. Not to mention getting sling shotted through the levels to 70th.
Naw. If you really wanna experience the story you gotta go through as is. If you don't wanna do that then you don't really want the story do you?Quote:
Or since the only thing really worth it is the Story portion of it... just make it a normal level challenge at 50th, since... well... 50th level is meaningless now... and even more meaningless once we get to Stormblood.
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04-26-2017, 08:23 AMSettiesamaClearly we aren't allowed to enjoy older content because it's absolutely pointless and has nothing at all for us, since everything that comes from it is not good in his eyes, therefore it is not good for us. He's allowed to do it, because he's special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
We're so out of touch with the game... that we don't even know the game now. We're so out of touch with the game that we ain't allowed to play older content.... We're so out of touch with the game that we are so out of touch with ourselves that we are so out of touch with being so out of touch with..... -
04-26-2017, 08:28 AMDualgunnerClearly this is the most accurate pic of OP, who is the only one in touch with his inner cosmic entityQuote:
Originally Posted by Settiesama
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04-26-2017, 08:31 AMThirdChild_ZKI
Me and this thread:
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04-26-2017, 08:33 AMVidu
Maybe we are indeed insane - after all we're still replying to this nonsense even though I'm sure that OP will never come to his senses... Stockholm syndrome strikes again
Edit: yep, I'm loosing it... starting to confuse Hyomin and ThirdChild - can either of you change their haircolour, please? ;_;
...after this post I just have one thing left to say: Will you marry me? As soon as I have recovered from this thread I'll be able to tell you and ThirdChild apart again, I promise!Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
Til then - I cant thank you (and the others) enough for being actual reasonable people. If I were a little more into roleplay I'd go the whole "hydaelyns light shines bright from your minds" or something like that, but I'm sure I'll only discredited myself by saying that.
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04-26-2017, 08:34 AMHyoMinParkThat's funny. Considering I see several PFs up daily for "XXXX Coil of Bahamut - Turn X for WT :)". Nope. People definitely aren't running it anymore. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
You're the only one calling it "the latest uber raid." Please post quotes of where any of the other people posting in this thread have said such a (ridiculous) phrase.Quote:
But you know, after seeing the people here, they apparently really think this thing is "the latest uber raid" and not and old half assed relic from their glory days.... from a level that isn't even relevant anymore.
You can see it in what they say about it... they still honestly believe level 50 is like.... relevant and stuff. But even level 60 will be irrelevant after Stormblood.
And I mean, it's funny, considering that the two new jobs in Stormblood start off at LEVEL 50. Yep. Totally not a relevant level anymore. That was so two expansions ago.
See Wonderous Tails.Quote:
Personally I was hoping this old relic could be made relevant in the current content.
I think you're the one who doesn't play this game seriously. How many jobs do you have to 60? How many Savage raid tiers have you cleared? What about Ex primal mounts? Do you have them all? Have you even done the Ex primals?Quote:
But like I said, after seeing the guys in these forums its questionable as to whether they even play this game seriously anymore they're that out of touch.... I'm sure the Devs know that too and no longer even bother coming here, so I agree this is a complete waste of time.
I can guarantee you that everyone else here as done at least one of those things, if not all of them.
And if this is such a "complete waste of time," why do you continue to post? Hmm?
I mean, you're the one asking for Coil to be nerfed even further into the ground than 20% automatic Echo. You want Coil to be like Level 50 dungeons, which are laughably easy even AT level because so many people complained when they were the least bit challenging (see: Amdapor Keep's Demon Wall boss and his now-removed Bees).Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
And, if you want to get technical, to get to 60, you kind of have to reach level 50 first. And what with two new jobs in Stormblood both starting at level 50, that makes the Final Coil gear pretty damn relevant, since you don't seem to think glamour counts (and everyone here will tell you that glamour is the true endgame of FFXIV).
Gonna just repost this lovely post for you to read again. Since you didn't bother to the first time, or else just didn't understand it.
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Originally Posted by StarRosie
It's ironic that you're saying we're the out of touch ones when you keep sprouting off this crap. And contradicting yourself every other post. Pot calling the kettle black, I see.Quote:
Wow you guys really just are that out of touch with the game and reality... and where it is currently...
Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?
At least he/she earned their achievements. Rather than the ones who bought them. At least they had the skill to do the content back before it was nerfed at all. Something I don't think you would have even if they did redo Coil as a level 70 Stormblood raid because you can't even clear T11 unsynced at 60. Are you sure that this isn't the real reason this sticks in your craw so much? Or is it because everyone continues to disagree with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
And really? Dun Scaith? The only thing that makes that 24-man-3.0-Crystal-Tower-Equivalent hard is when you have to carry entire alliances through Scathach, or Diabolos Hollow. The fights themselves--the mechanics themselves--are easy to learn, and easier to deal with. And Alexander Normal? It was easy upon release; people just made it hard because they didn't want to do mechanics and instead just press random buttons and hope they clear. Alexander NM =/= the Coils.
Like others have said: you need to git gud. Stop asking for nerfs, and actually learn how to handle mechanics. Because I think the devs are getting a little tired of people asking for nerfs, which is why they blatantly refused to nerf Ozma or Final Steps of Faith STORY MODE. Mechanics aren't going to go away. Even the most faceroll of dungeons still have mechanics (albeit, they don't necessarily have to be followed, or you can live by not following them, but that doesn't mean that they aren't there), and a lot of mechanics are recycled.
Sophia Ex tilting platform? Similar to Leviathan Ex's tilting platform (actually, the same designer did both fights). Recycled mechanic. Any duty that involves tethers, since tethers pop up in all sorts of different content: Zurvan Ex and A12S, to name two. Stack mechanics? Just about every other duty released has stack mechanics. Bahamut's Ahk Morns? Nidhogg NM and Ex has those! Dun Scaith has Earthshakers (T13), the mechanic where you keep the add and the boss separate, or else they get a damage/defense up buff (that's also in T13--if the Blood of Meracydia gets close to the Gusts and eats them, it gets damage up stacks!), and even Doom mechanics, which you first see in Sunken Temple of Qarn--a level 35 dungeon. Not to mention the ever-prevalent look away mechanics with a large, red eyeball that people still mess up. Meteors like the ones in World of Darkness? Hey, those are in Dun Scaith, too! Meteors from T9? Ozma from Weeping City. And those can still screw you over if they aren't dropped in the correct areas. Towers that you have to stand in from T13? Thordan Ex and Sephirot Ex say hi. The Proto Ultima fight is basically the Ultima fight from Praetorium and his Hard Mode trial, except with prototype bits (also from Praetorium) and dreadnaughts (hey, those are from T4), and he hits harder.
You say it's "irrelevant" to learn level 50 mechanics when you're level 60. Well, what if you decide to level another job? Guess what? Those level 50 mechanics and that level 50 gear that you say is so "irrelevant" just became relevant for you. You have to be level 50 before you can be 60, and level 60 before you can be 70, and so on and so forth. And as others have said, these mechanics will continue to pop up in future duties, so best to learn them now so you're prepared for when they show up again. Mechanics never become irrelevant when they continue to be reused in each patch of new content.
Git gud. Learn mechanics. Stop asking for nerfs, and actually earn your achievements, since you seem to think that's all we care about (are you sure that's you you're talking about here?). I didn't earn my current title, nor any of my 8 birbs, by ignoring mechanics and asking for fights to be nerfed, and then whining when they weren't. I earned my title and (most of) my mounts the hard way: through farming challenging content, dealing with multiple trap parties, dealing with wipe after wipe because people just wanted to faceroll SephEx or Thordan Ex, or just blatantly skip the Soar mechanic in Zurvan Ex, which isn't even that difficult to learn. The only birbs I cannot count as "challenging" were Ravana and Bismarck, just because I did those so late after their release, and so overgeared (and RavEx is just laughable now...it's kind of sad). I bore through all of that, and I was rewarded. And I earned those rewards. Earn your rewards like the rest of us had to do. And you know, maybe they won't matter come 4.0 or 5.0 or 10.0, but they mattered at some point in my FFXIV career, and that's all I need. I earned them; I didn't buy them like some others did.
The more you post--the more your posts devolve into some mindless banter--the less seriously anyone and everyone is going to take you. You're not helping your case by lashing out at posters because they don't agree with you, or don't want to pad your ego, or coddle you. Or by continuing to use the word "uber." I haven't heard that word in years. :rolleyes:
And please. For the love of Hydaelyn, learn some proper grammar and syntax. I'm not sure what's harder to read: your childish bantering, or the complete lack of proper punctuation. Not every sentence needs to end in ellipses.
Okay. I think that's enough replying for today. I don't have many posts left in my limit anyways until tomorrow afternoon. Which this will probably still be going by then, going in the same circles like it is now. So I won't really miss anything.
(Apologies to everyone for the ridiculously long post, but it's the only one I have at the moment. And some of you guys posting in here? I freaking love you. Your responses are amazingly sarcastic and truthful.) -
04-26-2017, 08:39 AMFredco191If nobody plays it anymore then why are you telling SE to change it? With that logic you may as well tell them to update Alexander to LV 70 or nerf it to LV 60 dungeon mechanics when Stormblood comes out. And I thought asking for sweaters for glamour was a bit much..Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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04-26-2017, 08:41 AMIstaru
I see people who don't want to learn or do anything challenging as a plague of locusts.
They swarm into a game, destroy it entirely like a field of crops, then swarm off to their next victim never giving any consideration or thought to their actions. Oh wait, they're just stupid insects and can't help themselves for their ignorance.
There's that and they are one of the signs of the end of days. Nothing good to be had there either.
Same thing can be said for a flock of Seagulls. They swoop in, crap all over everything and leave you to deal with the mess they made. -
04-26-2017, 08:44 AMSettiesama
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04-26-2017, 09:59 AMRenAshdoll
I am guessing the OP did not stayed within melee range of the merged node to even deal damage?
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04-26-2017, 10:09 AMjameseoakes
This tread scares and confuses me....