New Class Speculations

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Thought what would beg the question what would SE name the Gunblade Job since Yoshi-P did hint he is holding back for when we begin progressing towards Garlean Empire or when we can enter it back in 2013 during 2.0 era.

In FF Series the Gunblade users never had a actual Job name nor much Job identity beyond the weapon. Would they choose to follow the Gunblade job with Leather type armor since characters that use Gunblade weapon in FF series are often seen wearing leather/cloth type armor (more towards DPS job) or would they follow it up towards how the Garlean Military user often wear heavy armor (more toward Tank Job).

We know the basic Gunblade is standard issues for Garlean Troops as some cutscenes show basic low ranking garlean foot soldiers use the basic Gunblades.

However, what would be the Job story reason why the WoL can begin training to use a Gunblade Job? Who would be his/her training? What would be the inspiration for the Job's Role and gameplay? Why did it take so long for people outside of Garlean Empire to begin using Gunblades when the basic gunblade are often used as standard issues for the basic garlean foot soldiers?

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Technically we already do have gunblades available to players in the game (to use some examples).

Really, gunblades in Hydaelyn are just regular guns with a blade attached to the side of the barrel and are nothing like FFVIII's silly 'sword with a gun-shaped-rumble-pack-attached' weapons - even the unique magitek weapons wielded by Nero and Rhitayan are... nothing that special - designed more to look visually impressive than actually do damage. Also the 'lesser troops' that use gunblades in the Garlean Military are centurions, who are still officers - the regular cannon-fodder grunts who make up the bulk of the Garlean Army use conventional weapons like bows and swords as they are mostly draftees from conquered nations like Ala Mhigo, thus it seems the gunblade is actually a rare weapon even in Garlemald, something they reserve to the elite of their military, the officers and commanders, the rank-and-file soldiers left to use mundane weapons and magic like what we already have here in Eorzea.

Interestingly there's also a certain ironic psychology at work here where the Garleans who are incapable of using magic naturally, instead resort to making huge impressive pointy weapons that shoot 'streams of fire', huge streamlined airships, stout looking Juggernaut fighters and giant towers of ominousness.... one may wonder if like Xande when he built the Crystal Tower, that the Garleans are overcompensating for lacking something else? ;)

So even if we do get a gunblade using class in the game, I do not see it being given the name 'Judge' for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Interestingly there's also a certain ironic psychology at work here where the Garleans who are incapable of using magic naturally, instead resort to making huge impressive pointy weapons that shoot 'streams of fire', huge streamlined airships, stout looking Juggernaut fighters and giant towers of ominousness.... one may wonder if like Xande when he built the Crystal Tower, that the Garleans are overcompensating for lacking something else? ;)

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Wouden't that imply that Aether is linked to ones ability of..."creation" then? As well as bring up some interesting implications with Thancred?

Playing with the notion of a final fantasy staple being implemented in a new way... What about a Chemist that is an int based ranged dps? And rather than using potions to heal and support, they could make explosives and poisons. Rather than having it be a class that relies on premade items (because Yoshi-p has made it pretty clear that won't be a thing) their cast times are actually just constructing/mixing times.

The question at this point would be what kind of weapon it would use... i suppose crossbows could be a thing, since there is precedent there.

I could also see a Chemist being a support role, with mixtures that buff the party and debuff/damage enemies.

If they do implement RDM I would envision it being an int based melee support class, wielding fencing swords and magic in equal measure. But really, they could make it fit in a variety of roles. Support is just the one I feel lends itself most to the jack-of-all trades/master of none history of the job.

Dancer... as much as I enjoyed the class in ffxi I'm not sure i'd like to speculate on it. IF they implement it, I could see it be as any number of things, but again that's because I was able to fill multiple roles as a DNC in ffxi.

If they do introduce Beastmaster I would like to see it as a Tank class. I think it would actually be a pretty unique style of tanking if they do it right. I think the style of pet would have to largely be aesthetic to allow for some individuality without making everything overly complicated, allowing people to tame a multitude of different types of enemies that would all function the same. Perhaps allowing a stable of 2 differing monster pets, one that would essentially function as a tank stance/pet and one that would function as a dps stance/pet for offtanking or open-world combat.

I really want Dancer to be a healer/support. So bad.

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Originally Posted by KaiserDrill

If this has been mentioned before I apologize, but I remember Yoshi-P stating the devs will add into the game what is needed first. Looking at the current roster of jobs, I have noticed two things missing: a disciple of magic tank, and a disciple of war healer.

This leads me to speculate if BLU is implemented, it could possibly be a tank. BLU gets its strength from being hit by and learning attacks. That being said, it isn't that far of a stretch to see them in a tank role. Perhaps besides learning actual abilities of mobs, they could do things like pop a cd before a mob's move, and then "learn" it so the next time it is performed it does no/mitigated damage the next time it is used for. Kind of like a one use utsusemi for a specific mob move.

DNC could be a choice for a disciple of war healer. It would be rather close to its XI iteration, and as far as I know the only time DNC was a healer. However, I would still welcome the addition of DNC to the roster as a healer.

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This is an interesting thought.
It would also lend to samurai taking the dps slot.

Blue as support DPS. Q.Q

If they gave us Dancer as a Healer or DPS I would be good to go.
(Preferably Healer. Please.)

I still hope for class using a Scythe, Fan, or a Flute! @_@

And why cant we be an Ascian too? >:o Floating and teleporting around firing up Laserbeams!

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Originally Posted by Ferth

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Chemist as a healer would be amazing or something similar to Bravely Default's Salve-maker: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/S...ravely_Default)

I'd love a Chemist style healer with unique potions they throw to the target similar to the way it was done in Final Fantasy Tactics. A non-magic healer is in this vein is something I would absolutely want to play. Chemist in Tactics (the one I'm most familiar with) was really a defensive/support class, at least until you could buy guns in Chapter 2, then they could be pretty ridiculous with the ranged damage. As far as weapon goes they could still use guns, but it would be a different type, a flintlock style pistol instead of the mch's large carbines.

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Originally Posted by Mizukaru

Now if SE does decide to add a Tank, I fear samurai might be the next tank due to the fact samurai through history wore heavy armor. Not only that, but They have an ability called 3rd Eye, which complete negates one physical attack (Previous FF titles)

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I'm sure these things have been mentioned, but it's not like SAM can't have some damage mitigation skills and still be DPS as a Job. BLM can mitigate damage on themselves and others, NIN had perfect dodge which avoided one phys attack completely, MNK has an INT down debuff, DRG can parry and so on.

3rd Eye can just be like old Perfect Dodge. Imagine how NIN got enmity manipulation skills 50-60, and just place SAM there, with mitigation skills for the party. Either way, I'm sure they have an interesting way to make them play out. Especially if they add battle system mechanics that we currently don't have now.

Mitigation skills on a SAM would be helpful, I am still really keen on the idea of a SAM having to charge his/her strikes (like BRD/MCH do now) but being up close. The worry I have if we don't do this is were going to have another dancing DPS jumping from flank/back while keeping up with the combo. Giving us slower attacks by charge time mixed with potential skills like Barrage/Duality to perform faster strikes or even a skill that eliminates the charge and speeds the SAM up for X secs. The one issue that would come to mind though would be in PvP settings, I could only imagine the pain unless say at level 30 (or by default) he gets a stance that adds the charge time at an increase in raw potency to all skills so in PvP it could be dropped?

I mean I could be completely wrong in what the majority wants, but a charge time on melee strikes seems to make more sense than a gun having to charge. Though to be fair I didn't read about the gauss or what it makes it charge.

4 new jobs at expansion (yes unlikely)
Samurai: Dmg
Red Mage: Tank
Blue Mage: Dmg
Dancer: Healer

after reading many speculations on next jobs, seems like this would satisfy most. (yes i know of all the arguments regarding which roles new jobs would be)

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Originally Posted by Nominous

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The only damage dealing Jobs in the game currently without a defensive ability that can be used to reduce or mitigate damage are Machinist and Summoner. Machinist makes up for this for having access to just about every debuff in the game, while Summoner makes up for it by having a pet that can tank for them and one of the most powerful debuffs in the game (Supervirus). So... honestly, I could see Samurai getting something like Keen Flurry or their own version of Rampart/Shadowskin.

Also, on "but Samurai wear heavy armor and therefore are a tank!" Dragoons traditionally have shared equipment with Paladins, Warriors, and Dark Knights. There are different kinds of "heavy armor" in the world, Eorzean Dragoons seem to prefer chainmail and scalemail, while the tanks prefer heavier chainmail and platemail, and both types use thickly padded leather or cloth. So, Samurai, if a damage dealer, will likely wear "of Maiming" equipment.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

We don't particularly need more tanks either. Really the only niche that isn't filled is melee caster and ranged STR. Though as most people are saying, it'll probably be a STR and INT DPS, playstyle is a tossup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if we didn't get a tank or healer in the Xpac.

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Too bad ranger hasn't been hinted at yet. Your post made my mind instantly jump to ranger as a gun/crossbow wielding str based dps. And as for the int melee caster red mage could possibly fit.

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Originally Posted by Sarynth

Too bad ranger hasn't been hinted at yet. Your post made my mind instantly jump to ranger as a gun/crossbow wielding str based dps. And as for the int melee caster red mage could possibly fit.

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I just can't see them adding a true ranged job, as much as they really should without making it a support DPS. They're worried people will flock to the job over others to make the game easy mode. Early ARR we saw this with Bards and Black Mages and the hardcore playerbase purposely excluded melee DPS for a time. Machinist might of ruined those chances, it's a fine gun DPS but it's bogged down by being support like Bard.

They also took strafing away... kinda, but they could add a dual pistol class and make that the ranger job. Oh hey, what about Gun Mage from Final Fantasy X-2? That could be the "Blue Mage" & Ranger job people were asking for (or not depending on perspective), and it's kind of a unique class in itself. Dual pistols + Blue Magic... honestly they could make it work for FFXIV. As long as they don't make it as busy as MCH.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gun_Mage

Of course there are a set of fans who would love a gunblade job... perhaps they should consider Rune Fencer for that weapon. Red Mage could be the gunblade job, but they're more rapiers and florets.

If they are going to add another ranged based job my money would be on CORSAIR

Being that COR in FFXI was a sword/gun class it might fit the current unoccupied role of sword based DPS nicely (tho this in all reality will prob go to RDM)

Consider this: We have DRG/NIN as an example that have ranged attacks that server as utility moves mainly correct? Think of Corsair utilising a move such as this as part of their combo. First two moves are sword based weaponskills followed by a third that is ranged based, the ranged move being 120 potency normally and 300 in combo (or w.e)

Second point, we already have a card based buff system with AST. This could be expanded for COR.

Lore wise we already know we have pirates in the game so should be fairly easy to write in (would be great to see a rivalry between COR and ROG like the old rivalry between BLU and COR)

Wand+Shield Based Class. (Its probably going to be redmage and there will be a dps mode/Gause Barrel mode where a glowing sword blade comes from the wand) SE loves to reuse old model equipment for something else. GLA weapons went to Rogue. ARR had some wands that were added before 1.0 so they did plan on having wands in the game. They started replacing the old wands to staffs for WHM & BLM. I do expect wands to make a return in there new job. All the small mage shields in the game will be given to this Job. So allagan shield, levithian shield, and all low level shields and whatever I forgot to add in.

Samurai
Pretty much a given for expansion. (STR)

Completely new Job.
(Probably a INT or VIT based one) Mainly to just balance out the STATS for each Job. (Not sure but there is roughly 3 Jobs that is there main stat.)
Right so this class could be the wand class also if its main stat is INT.
Gonna say this is going to be Redmage. Probably wand+sword buffing dps with some self healing action like second wind and bio like debuff action.
Probably will replace the BLM slot in the group.

Now I think they're gonna do the samething they did in HW by releasing 1tank,1healer,1dps jobs. Then again I could be wrong. I think they will do this because noone likes playing those jobs or have their current tanks and healers maxed out and they need to refill the duty ques with them.

So, SAM (STR), RDM (INT), ??? (MND)

I think Rng would have to have some mechanics to increase the likelyhood of being hit by aoes/ reduce mobility etc. Like building it around locking yourself in place to charge up and then applying that charge to your attacks.

So an idea I thought about (or a suggested change anyway) is for Puppetmaster, perhaps renamed as Minion Master? Let us use our minions to do the fighting however let the story line of the job give us minions (melee, range, tank) be default but allow a slot for that job where we can place our own minions into the slot. Much like the idea for Egi Glamours but seeing as we have a vast array of minions to pick from would allow for select minions we own to take its place. So example wind-up Tonberry or Amal'ja could take the place of the default melee or our Dragon Quest Golem or Wind-up Odin be the Tank. The question then comes to animations I suppose for the minions unless we had a specific reason on why they are limited. Would also give those minion fans a reason to level the class even if just for the sake of the 3 class minions.

I know it doesnt fit the storyline but i would like to see a Necromancer class. But in reality i think Sam will be a tank class. We need another casting class to balance to DoM all we really got is Blm and Smn. We got plenty of melee dps right now. So if Rdm come in i think it will be an DoM. Really need another strong DoM class like Blm

All I know is Samurai better be a damn DPS. That's all I want.

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

All I know is Samurai better be a damn DPS. That's all I want.

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Yoshi said that since DRK is tank, they would be making SAM a dps. So don't worry there ^^

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Yoshi said that since DRK is tank, they would be making SAM a dps. So don't worry there ^^

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I do believe the quote was more like, he envisioned samurai as a damage, not that it would be a damage.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Yoshi said that since DRK is tank, they would be making SAM a dps. So don't worry there ^^

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Citation needed.

I want Samurai as a DPS STR based job. I would like to see Blue Mage as an INT dps class that learns monster attacks and provides a unique way of playing a caster.

Considering SAM was going to be a Tank roll in FFXI which made as much sence as NIN Evasion tank, it good to see it be the way it should be lol

But dropping my 2 cents on the topic..

Red Mage (RDM) - I honestly feel if RDM does get added to the game, it might be a little watered down. You have to remember that RDM is a "Jack of all trades, master of none". But because the way the current battle system is, that might not be possible. Sure it can dabble into the current schools of magic that are currently in the game, and might be the only DPS job that can heal others (Example - Using Convert, RDM version of Cleric stance but with additional affects). Or be the only job in the game that can Multi-Role as in Queing as DPS or Healer. just a few ideas I've had in my head as of late.

Blue Mage (BLU) - Being the True Melee Mage job & with the current battle system I feel BLU would fit right in, just depends on how the devs impliment this. I honestly feel BLU done right would by far be the most customizable job in the game and what sets it apart from the other jobs.

Dancer (DNC) - Dancer I feel would fit best as a Healer Role & could possibly be the Ture DPS Healer (as in no cleric stance, not even cross class option). As a bonus If there is a BRD and DNC in the same party, they would gain bonuses off of each other (this idea spawned from FF Tactics and how Only Males were BRDs and Females were dancers but wihtout the gender lock of course lol) depending on what BRD songs are playing, DNCs would gain additional effects on certain abilities and vise versa for BRDs (trying to make this sound fun but I already know some are not gonna like it, its the forums after all lol).

Corsair (COR) - Had an idea for it for quite a long time, somewhat fleshed out as well. Like example a mix of Melee and range attack combos (Sword Main hand, Gun off hand {Merlwyb}). Questline too, May post in a thread of its own. But now that MCH is here, this is not possible (Too many Pirates in this Game not to have a pirate adventure! lol)

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

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Originally Posted by Ferth

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Ahh! Noted, thank you! ^^

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

Dancer (DNC) - Dancer I feel would fit best as a Healer Role & could possibly be the Ture DPS Healer (as in no cleric stance, not even cross class option). As a bonus If there is a BRD and DNC in the same party, they would gain bonuses off of each other (this idea spawned from FF Tactics and how Only Males were BRDs and Females were dancers but wihtout the gender lock of course lol) depending on what BRD songs are playing, DNCs would gain additional effects on certain abilities and vise versa for BRDs (trying to make this sound fun but I already know some are not gonna like it, its the forums after all lol).

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Only issue here is if we have classes that get direct bonuses off of each other it would then be mandatory that they be together to ensure you are putting out as much DPS/Healing as possible, at least in a raid or harder content scenario. I am all for DNC being a healer though

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Only issue here is if we have classes that get direct bonuses off of each other it would then be mandatory that they be together to ensure you are putting out as much DPS/Healing as possible, at least in a raid or harder content scenario. I am all for DNC being a healer though

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Yeah I've though about that too, but might make more sence if BRD songs helped with only heals the buff would be small and doesn't stack from other BRDs in the group.. Atk abilities would be a huge imblance, but I was thinking that it would encourage BRDs to play songs more often which benefits the DNC/Healer, which in turn benefits the group as a whole if you can see where i'm going with this.. or trying too at least xD