3.3 Patch Notes(Pre)

Am I the only one that feels like the Aspected Helios buff for AST further cements the fact that SE will never really be able to achieve decent AST balancing? It's like they don't even know why SCH is "too good", and why AST can only reasonably supplement the WHM spot in a raid.

On a different note, excited for Aquapolis randomly. I like treasure hunts and map-related content.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

An interesting future possibility has been inadvertently hinted at in those notes with a change to the maps:



Specifically, the sample map of Old Gridania shown, lists an arrow (the one shown pointing north) at what is meant to be the entrance to the Lily Hills (stated in the game as being the residential area for the 'elite' of Gridanian society), and which has been closed of and inaccessible since 1.0. So, with that arrow there states that one day that area will be opened up... the story possibilities for this are mind boggling. :3

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That was an interesting note. Honestly when I saw that I only gave it a brief glance because I figured I was looking at the Black Boar Gate.

/throws arrows into the air and lets them rain down on everyone

Well I'm excited.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Now, if you want to compare Fell Cleave to Carve and Spit, compare the rest of the skills as well. Skull Sunder is 200 pot, Spinning Slash is 220 pot. Maim is 190, Syphon Strike is 250 (had to double-check this one. Twice). Butcher's Block is 280 and Power Slash is 300. Souleater is 260 (400 w/DA!), Storm's Path is 250. Storm's Eye is 270, Delirium is 280. Hmm...interesting that all comparable DRK skills are more potent than a WAR's are (except Hard Slash and Heavy Swing, both at 150 potency). DRK do nice, consistent damage over a fight (with proper MP management); WAR are more bursty when Berserk is up.

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I'm gonna regret saying this but WAR is about 100 damage per second over Paladin & about 80 over Dark Knight, potency sounds nice on paper but in practice WAR stomps both Tanks....unless you mean tank stance, then they're all really close in damage(even Paladin)

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Originally Posted by Tanama

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/0e2...e5ebb57_70.png
If the one on the far left is from Last Remnant, does anyone know if the other outfits are from other Square Enix titles?

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Pretty sure the one on the far right is supposed to be Irvine Kinneas from FF8.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

/throws arrows into the air and lets them rain down on everyone

Well I'm excited.

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same finally bard gets some love lol

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

I'm gonna regret saying this but WAR is about 100 damage per second over Paladin & about 80 over Dark Knight, potency sounds nice on paper but in practice WAR stomps both Tanks....unless you mean tank stance, then they're all really close in damage(even Paladin)

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Yeah, that was just a potency comparison because Berserk and Fell Cleave together is crazy damage (also why I didn't mention Berserk in the post). But without Berserk, WAR DPS is, well, nothing to write home about (since its just potency + Maim +/- Deliverance/Defiance, whereas DRK is always potency + Darkside - Grit + Dark Arts effects).

And really, 100 DPS difference isn't anywhere near OP at the DPS levels we're at now (*looks at the current BRD and MCH, and the "balance" between the two* I'm really hope the changes bring them closer, but I do think they need something else done). The tanks are fairly balanced right now, especially when they're actually tanking, as you said.
Sometimes I feel like people only see the big numbers of Fell Cleave and ignore everything else, or aren't as good at their job as they think they are and need something to blame. Was going to play around with some SSS with the same gear (weapons from Seph EX, since I only have one 230 tank weapon right now) for PLD DRK and WAR, but Adamantoise died :(

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Originally Posted by Xandos

Pretty sure the one on the far right is supposed to be Irvine Kinneas from FF8.

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Well, the hat looks like Irvine's, but that's about it. The rest of that outfit doesn't remind me of him at all.

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Originally Posted by SquareEnix

[3.0] The number of Allagan tomestones received for the following dungeons and alliance raid dungeons has been increased:
The Antitower: 40 Tomestones of Lore => 30 Tomestones of Lore
The Lost City of Amdapor (Hard): 40 Tomestones of Lore => 30 Tomestones of Lore
The Void Ark: 20 Tomestones of Lore => 15 Tomestones of Lore

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Hmm, methinks Square-Enix don't understand the meaning of the word 'increased', wouldn't 'adjusted' have been a more accurate term?

I shouldn't be suprised, but I can't help but be disappointed. Whenever Squeenix releases a new dungeon, the older ones suffer poorly. I don't understand why they keep reducing the tomes awarded by old content. If they want newer content to be the shiny new thing, all they have to do is increase the tome awards on the newer content. Two years on and we're still seeing the same recycled methodology for updates. Instead of building on existing content, every update tries to wipe the slate clean with a brand new set of everything.

Who knows, maybe Aquapolis will help tip the balance, but I have a feeling that too will be another flash in the pan content which is quickly buried under the next best thing in coming updates.

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Originally Posted by Xandos

Pretty sure the one on the far right is supposed to be Irvine Kinneas from FF8.

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https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/ove...54aee58d2e4ace
The MCH one makes me think of McCree :). I wish we could get a "BAMF" belt buckle lol.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Am I the only one that feels like the Aspected Helios buff for AST further cements the fact that SE will never really be able to achieve decent AST balancing? It's like they don't even know why SCH is "too good", and why AST can only reasonably supplement the WHM spot in a raid.

On a different note, excited for Aquapolis randomly. I like treasure hunts and map-related content.

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It at least makes ppl obsessed with nocturnal stance less bad.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/ove...54aee58d2e4ace
The MCH one makes me think of McCree :). I wish we could get a "BAMF" belt buckle lol.

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Is that Wild Arms?

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

Is that Wild Arms?

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Overwatch, McCree.

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Originally Posted by SirDiscoFrog

I honestly can't see them adding anything else to the recruitment rewards(or if they do it'll probably be more than just 1 item like the last recruitment upgrade with Twintania), but in the spirit of involving a 2nd person I think this may have something to do with the new Mentor Roulette achievements

http://puu.sh/pfspi/d8fc849f5a.png

There really is not much reward for doing that roulette besides being a GoodGuy™, so this may be to try making mentor roulette look more desirable in the long run rather than just increasing tomes it gives. (2000 is so many tho @_@)

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I just feel the need to say being being a "good guy" should be your one and only reward for becoming a mentor. You get a roulette that gives you tomes that non-mentors don't get and that's enough. If you're mentoring others for sparkly status rewards you're already doing it wrong. (And not you specifically even though I quoted you, I mean all mentors.)

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Originally Posted by LadyVal

I just feel the need to say being being a "good guy" should be your one and only reward for becoming a mentor.

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thats all it should ever be

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Hmm, methinks Square-Enix don't understand the meaning of the word 'increased', wouldn't 'adjusted' have been a more accurate term?

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Well, if you count all of the tomestones and not just the lore, it is an increase because esoterics are increased to 100 for all of these and to 150 for ARF.

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/0e2...e5ebb57_59.png

Why do you now get a penalty if leaving with a preformed party within 10 mins? Wtf se....

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Originally Posted by Kitano123

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/0e2...e5ebb57_59.png

Why do you now get a penalty if leaving with a preformed party within 10 mins? Wtf se....

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So a preformed party don't pick up specific dungeons for their roulettes, i guess

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Originally Posted by Kitano123

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/0e2...e5ebb57_59.png

Why do you now get a penalty if leaving with a preformed party within 10 mins? Wtf se....

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Not new, and it's so they don't repeatedly queue for a specific instance.

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Originally Posted by Felis

So a preformed party don't pick up specific dungeons for their roulettes, i guess

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That is the reason. People constantly left until they got the easiest dungeon for their roulette. What's the point of a roulette then?

Limit it to roulette then, why punish people who forgot to repair/queued on the wrong job etc

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Originally Posted by LadyVal

I just feel the need to say being being a "good guy" should be your one and only reward for becoming a mentor. You get a roulette that gives you tomes that non-mentors don't get and that's enough. If you're mentoring others for sparkly status rewards you're already doing it wrong. (And not you specifically even though I quoted you, I mean all mentors.)

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There still needs to be some motivation to keep queuing the roulette and queue it more than once per day. 10 Lore a day means nothing when you cap out on Thursday and depending on your luck you could end up in an EX Primal with people who do not want to learn for 90 minutes.

The rewards are there for those who are truly dedicated to mentoring. I Hope Mentor Will Notice Me VI is just untenable for anyone unwilling to queue the Mentor roulette more than one time per day. It would take nearly 5 and a half years of queuing to complete it only queuing once per day and over a year queuing it 5 times a day (which does not have much of a reward after the first).

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Originally Posted by Kitano123

Limit it to roulette then, why punish people who forgot to repair/queued on the wrong job etc

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Um...those are things you need to check before queueing in the first place.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

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You got a point, a good one. wich leaves me with 1 thing to say; DRK misses something, at least it feels that way. i main DRK and only got WAR to 60 since 2 days ago and must say Tanking with WAR is the best thing ever as it is a beast in ALMOST every situation. (if you use mitigation properly). you have more options and ofc more risks too and i like that. i just dont think they should be that much of a beast while MT with the defiance buffs and all but thats imo.

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Um...those are things you need to check before queueing in the first place.

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Yes, but in the event of a screwup, you could just quickly exit, take care of it, and requeue again without much hassle (unless it was a roulette)

This has happened to me many, many times over the course of various PF'd duties, and I don't even use the PF all *that* much.

Yeah, people will just have to be more careful from now on, but it's still kind of a silly change that wasn't necessary in the first place (assuming there actually is anything different after 3.3 compared to the system beforehand and the screenshot isn't just lying to us)

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

I'm gonna regret saying this but WAR is about 100 damage per second over Paladin & about 80 over Dark Knight, potency sounds nice on paper but in practice WAR stomps both Tanks....unless you mean tank stance, then they're all really close in damage(even Paladin)

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You are right, but if the game designed WAR for OT and PLD for MT and DRK somewhere in the middle, i think its okay that they deal that amount of DPS. however i dont think they deserve such tank stance in comparison with the other two tanks.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Am I the only one that feels like the Aspected Helios buff for AST further cements the fact that SE will never really be able to achieve decent AST balancing? It's like they don't even know why SCH is "too good", and why AST can only reasonably supplement the WHM spot in a raid.

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Basically. I wish they'd overhaul us to be more unique instead of this hybrid SCH/WHM thing. If they gave us our own identity that focused on Synastry, splash heals/shields and powerful HoTs, that would help.

I think SE designed Warrior as Dark Knight before they realized they wanted to add Dark Knight... Actually, I recall a suggestion for Marauder to branch into Dark Knight as a DPS that converts enmity into damage... Things like Bloodbath and Vengeance just scream Dark Knight IMO, Storm's Path and Inner Beast too, and Raw Intuition just makes no sense to me... Dark Knight historically had a sacrifice HP for damage skill, and while that makes no sense for a tank (though I'd trade Marauder cross-class skills for Lancer and Blood for Blood, though that was more when Dark Knight had serious TP issues), Raw Intuition adds a risk (albeit one removed by Awareness IIRC) for 100% Parry, which Dark Knight would love for Low Blows/Reprisal...

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Originally Posted by Yoshiyuki

Basically. I wish they'd overhaul us to be more unique instead of this hybrid SCH/WHM thing. If they gave us our own identity that focused on Synastry, splash heals/shields and powerful HoTs, that would help.

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I'm not sure what exactly I would have preferred for AST (I liked the suggestion bandied about ages ago involving Nocturnal Sect being more about card buffs and card-related skills, with Diurnal being the "healing" sect, and scrap the whole regen/shield effects on their abilities to be something more unique), but I will agree with you that my interest in this job has plummeted the more they continue to homogenize it with WHM/SCH.

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Originally Posted by Mahono

You got a point, a good one. wich leaves me with 1 thing to say; DRK misses something, at least it feels that way. i main DRK and only got WAR to 60 since 2 days ago and must say Tanking with WAR is the best thing ever as it is a beast in ALMOST every situation. (if you use mitigation properly). you have more options and ofc more risks too and i like that. i just dont think they should be that much of a beast while MT with the defiance buffs and all but thats imo.

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While a great WAR is as easy to heal as a good DRK or PLD, an average WAR (even many "good") is a pain to heal.

Defiance boosts HP by 25% and healing received by 20% (and lowers damage by 25%. Yes, WAR lose a full 1/4 DPS in tank stance), but Grit and Shield Oath reduce damage by 20% (Grit lowers damage by 20%, Oath by 15%) It sounds like WAR is better on paper, but really, DRK and PLD are still taking less adjusted damage (and are easier to heal). Reactive healing vs preventative mitigation. It does matter.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Yes, but in the event of a screwup, you could just quickly exit, take care of it, and requeue again without much hassle (unless it was a roulette)

This has happened to me many, many times over the course of various PF'd duties, and I don't even use the PF all *that* much.

Yeah, people will just have to be more careful from now on, but it's still kind of a silly change that wasn't necessary in the first place (assuming there actually is anything different after 3.3 compared to the system beforehand and the screenshot isn't just lying to us)

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This "feature" has been around for over a year now (I can't remember which patch added it, but I think it was 2.3). If you can't check your job or gear before queueing, well, tough. Its all on you for screwing up.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

I'm not sure what exactly I would have preferred for AST (I liked the suggestion bandied about ages ago involving Nocturnal Sect being more about card buffs and card-related skills, with Diurnal being the "healing" sect, and scrap the whole regen/shield effects on their abilities to be something more unique), but I will agree with you that my interest in this job has plummeted the more they continue to homogenize it with WHM/SCH.

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I'd have either turned Nocturnal into Phalanx from XI, or essentially made it function like Wildfire, but for healing. Both would benefit from Time Dilation the same way Diurnal does, something like Wildfire might be a bit risky though, you'd essentially heal someone then ignore them because you know they'll get a dump of HP when it wears off... Something like Phalanx might be ideal, I can see that being quite nice for trash pulls... Wildfire probably makes for a more unique healing experience though, would be fun to time it so it wears off right after a tank buster... Phalanx is kind of like a shield, just one that doesn't entirely mitigate damage and doesn't wear off after a damage threshold, which is why it would work well with Time Dilation and trash pulls... It's more like Protect really, I can see that being great for trash since it would add up quickly against large groups of enemies...

Well actually, having a job which have for concept to copy both whm and sch skills sucks. They will hardly manage to balance it without Killing the two other's gameplay. Personally, i dont want to see the ast with the same dps/shield potency as the sch has. This would give no point in playin it anymore. Instead, they better give a unique gameplay to the Ast( next to the cards)

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Originally Posted by Llynd

Well actually, having a job which have for concept to copy both whm and sch skills sucks. They will hardly manage to balance it without Killing the two other's gameplay. Personally, i dont want to see the ast with the same dps/shield potency as the sch has. This would give no point in playin it anymore. Instead, they better give a unique gameplay to the Ast( next to the cards)

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except Sch would still have two advantages over Ast even if their shields were the same, Sch has much better mp restoration, and fairy utility is really hard to overcome.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

except Sch would still have two advantages over Ast even if their shields were the same, Sch has much better mp restoration, and fairy utility is really hard to overcome.

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Except AST already has two advantages, raid wide DPS increase at no or lesser MP cost (if they dps as well as cards) and a choice between a full heal and a shield at less MP cost with no cool downs needed. I think, with the way off healers interact sch and ast shielding are about the same, with ast having better sustained AoE healing (although not much needs more than succor, et succor, succor, indom) but obviously scholar destroys ast while healing in cleric stance.

I think we should start seeing Acc focused WHM, who become the off heals in an ast whm comp or more frequently baton passing the cleric stance role.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I think SE designed Warrior as Dark Knight before they realized they wanted to add Dark Knight... Actually, I recall a suggestion for Marauder to branch into Dark Knight as a DPS that converts enmity into damage... Things like Bloodbath and Vengeance just scream Dark Knight IMO, Storm's Path and Inner Beast too, and Raw Intuition just makes no sense to me... Dark Knight historically had a sacrifice HP for damage skill, and while that makes no sense for a tank (though I'd trade Marauder cross-class skills for Lancer and Blood for Blood, though that was more when Dark Knight had serious TP issues), Raw Intuition adds a risk (albeit one removed by Awareness IIRC) for 100% Parry, which Dark Knight would love for Low Blows/Reprisal...

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yeah i wholeheartedly agree i believe sometime in 2.x im like "DRK not gonna happen, WAR already is DRK" due to the lifetaps and such

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Except AST already has two advantages, raid wide DPS increase at no or lesser MP cost (if they dps as well as cards) and a choice between a full heal and a shield at less MP cost with no cool downs needed. I think, with the way off healers interact sch and ast shielding are about the same, with ast having better sustained AoE healing (although not much needs more than succor, et succor, succor, indom) but obviously scholar destroys ast while healing in cleric stance.

I think we should start seeing Acc focused WHM, who become the off heals in an ast whm comp or more frequently baton passing the cleric stance role.

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Crit Adlos are double strength shields and can be deployed to the group, ie: 6k crit -> 12K shield. Take into effect all possible buffs and you get 9k -> 18K shields. Not to mention a Noct Ast runs out of mp MUCH faster than a SCH. Plus SCH has an instant Aoe heal. People always take SCH for granted...

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

Plus SCH has an instant Aoe heal. People always take SCH for granted...

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So does Astrologian if you use Lightspeed.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

Well, if you count all of the tomestones and not just the lore, it is an increase because esoterics are increased to 100 for all of these and to 150 for ARF.

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Except... no one really cares about Esoterics anymore.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Except... no one really cares about Esoterics anymore.

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Mhm...now that would depend on whether they help with the relic or not, wouldn't you say?

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

So does Astrologian if you use Lightspeed.

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It sounds nice but it adds to the MP issue(mostly in Noct), helios is very pricey 1060 mp & it takes two casts to outdo Intom. which has no cost & is on a much shorter CD than Lightspeed.