Palace of the Dead (PAX)

SE need to gain the playerbase trust back...when half the player base is thinking that SE is going to implement something and its going to be ANOTHER failure...and the other half is praying the twelve or hoping for the best....oh well...

i said it lots of times but SE is good creating content ....it fails on the implementation ....chocobos , diadem , hunts , LoV ....and while some players like chocos , hunts and some even like LoV ....u dont waste dev time creating something that no1 will enjoy or play , ppl say the same thing for Savage , but Savage at least its getting better , gordias was "bad" (too punishing) , midas is at least fun and have some fresh ideas...SE is learning from the mistakes ,at leats looks like ....

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

i said it lots of times but SE is good creating content ....it fails on the implementation

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I think the issue as much with the teasing as with the implementation.

Tease: You're going to have this exciting FC content where you go to floating island and explore and try to fulfill different objectives for unique rewards.
Reality: You go to a giant player cluster and gank the same 4 mobs repeatedly for 90 minutes.

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i said it lots of times but SE is good creating content ....it fails on the implementation

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Tons of truth to this.

Another great example is the FC system. It's awesome that we get these guilds where we have houses, shops, shared resources, bonuses, etc.

But... what are FCs for? What can we actually DO with them? There are no FC rankings, or events by which FCs would even be ranked. There's no content that encourages FCs to schedule group events. There's really no reason for FC members to even collaborate much.

Think how much more enjoyable this game would be if endgame content were more interwoven with FCs?

I feel like each arm of the development team is good at doing what it does -- and the brain (Yoshi-P) is good at keeping those arms moving -- but there's a real lack of planning as to how the overall team works together to build a game with shared threads. As a result, the development team has cultivated a reputation of churning out content that's out of touch with the game's playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

There are no FC rankings, ...

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Excuse me, but... there is the Homepage called: Lodestone
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/ranking

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Excuse me, but... there is the Homepage called: Lodestone

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Um... those are not FC rankings. Those are Frontline rankings. And you can't even do PvP with your FC.

Though it would be really cool if you could!

EDIT: Oh, I see down at the bottom... FC rankings based on accumulated FC credits.

That's great... but so what? Why is accumulating FC credits special? What does that mean? What does it get for anyone? Why care about that?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. At some point, someone on the "guild" arm of the dev team thought to have some kind of ranking system... but then it never went anywhere. There's no connection between that ranking system and any other meaningful part of the game. It's literally pointless. There is no incentive or reason for anyone in FCs to even know those rankings exist (which is why I wasn't aware of it despite being a member of one of my server's larger FCs).

There are FC rankings Thayos, scroll down a little ;).

However, they are worthless and not seen in game.

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There are FC rankings Thayos, scroll down a little .

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Yeah, I edited my post above. :)

But, as I also explain above, those rankings are totally worthless. They're meaningless and serve no purpose. They're not connected with anything meaningful. They're not connected with any kind of activity that encourages FC members to work together toward common goals. They could be totally removed from the game and it would change nothing.

Cautiously optimistic for this content. It's sounding very much like the kind of content I'm been waiting for, but I've been burned enough times after getting my hopes up to know better than to do that.

Nyzul Isle is the first thing that popped into my head, and I enjoyed that.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

But, as I also explain above, those rankings are totally worthless. They're meaningless and serve no purpose. They're not connected with anything meaningful. They're not connected with any kind of activity that encourages FC members to work together toward common goals. They could be totally removed from the game and it would change nothing.

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They're not worthless, they're just not tied to a single specific thing. It's a measure of how active FCs are in relation to other FCs, based on all the things that give FC credits, which is pretty much everything.

As a solo enthusiast back in XI, I am cautiously optimistic that this will strike a chord with me.

Time will tell.

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They're not worthless, they're just not tied to a single specific thing. It's a measure of how active FCs are in relation to other FCs, based on all the things that give FC credits, which is pretty much everything.

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But this really means nothing about how good a FC is. As long as you have enough people all out there doing their own things, you'll accumulate lots of points. These points aren't earned by working with each other or accomplishing shared goals -- and if FCs don't exist for that reason, then why do they need to exist at all? Why not just have Grand Companies, linkshells and a simplified housing system?

Seriously, the way the game is right now, you could axe FCs from the game and not a whole lot would change. That's a big problem.

I used to really look forward to FC alliances, which Yoshi-P said months ago was an upcoming feature. But now, I don't care. Because why? The game doesn't even have content to necessitate a FC, let alone a FC alliance.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I think the reason why The Shroud has so much Voidsent is mostly due to what the Mhachi did, they did summon very powerful voidsent (Diabolos and Ferdiad) not only that, but the Elementals have weakened considerably, so they can't protect/ prevent voidsent from appearing.

Though I think Edda has a hand in this ... she does have a propensity for awakening the undead in Gelmorran ruins

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I was JUST about to say I hope Edda's worked into this somehow :D

I see a lot of people making the Nyzul Isle comparison on here but to me this seem more reminiscent of Challenge Mode from PSO on the Gamecube / Dreamcast.

For anybody unfamiliar with this mode/game, challenge mode is a special mode where you must progress through the areas of the game with minimal equipment utilizing teamwork and puzzle solving skills moreso than they are used in the regular game.

Challenge mode has no difficulty setting, but the enemies in it are equivalent in difficulty to Normal mode. When you begin a stage you are transported directly into the stage and your level, items, Techniques, Meseta, and everything else you have acquired in the regular game is stripped from you and replaced with defaults for the stage you chose.

It was pretty fun, trying to work out the best team composition and sharing item drops between you to best help the progress of your party.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I was JUST about to say I hope Edda's worked into this somehow :D

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Hello? Its the Palace of THE DEAD! If even Hildibrandt isnt involved into this, then surely Edda is!
I just want to know, what happend to her Lalafell-pal xD

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Originally Posted by Katchoo

I see a lot of people making the Nyzul Isle comparison on here but to me this seem more reminiscent of Challenge Mode from PSO on the Gamecube / Dreamcast.

For anybody unfamiliar with this mode/game, challenge mode is a special mode where you must progress through the areas of the game with minimal equipment utilizing teamwork and puzzle solving skills moreso than they are used in the regular game.

Challenge mode has no difficulty setting, but the enemies in it are equivalent in difficulty to Normal mode. When you begin a stage you are transported directly into the stage and your level, items, Techniques, Meseta, and everything else you have acquired in the regular game is stripped from you and replaced with defaults for the stage you chose.

It was pretty fun, trying to work out the best team composition and sharing item drops between you to best help the progress of your party.

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O_O I've made the same comparison to my fiancée! God I loved Challenge Mode, especially the insane drop rates you got to help out that you didn't level any faster, but had more challenging enemies.

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

O_O I've made the same comparison to my fiancée! God I loved Challenge Mode, especially the insane drop rates you got to help out that you didn't level any faster, but had more challenging enemies.

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Yeah it was pretty epic. The biggest problem we had advancing in it was that if somebody switched to a different class or you had somebody new round you had to start all over again.

I loved coming up with good party combinations. Like only having one mage and then two HuCast's so they could give all the mono fluids to the mage and such.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sounds like Nyzul Isle to me.
I'm looking forward to it!

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Dito. As long as there are no lamps I'm satisfied.

hmmm weapons in deep dungeon can be upgraded n used elsewhere?? wondering on the ilvl n upgrade difficulty nows lol

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Originally Posted by Katchoo

I see a lot of people making the Nyzul Isle comparison on here but to me this seem more reminiscent of Challenge Mode from PSO on the Gamecube / Dreamcast.

For anybody unfamiliar with this mode/game, challenge mode is a special mode where you must progress through the areas of the game with minimal equipment utilizing teamwork and puzzle solving skills moreso than they are used in the regular game.

Challenge mode has no difficulty setting, but the enemies in it are equivalent in difficulty to Normal mode. When you begin a stage you are transported directly into the stage and your level, items, Techniques, Meseta, and everything else you have acquired in the regular game is stripped from you and replaced with defaults for the stage you chose.

It was pretty fun, trying to work out the best team composition and sharing item drops between you to best help the progress of your party.

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Sounds a little bit like Salvage, from FFXI. In Salvage, when you enter the dungeon you're afflicted with numerous status ailments that reduce your stats, lock your spellcasting and job abilities, and strip you of your equipment. ALL of your equipment. Over the course of the dungeon, you can obtain items to unlock unlock these restrictions, bit by bit - but at the point you enter the dungeon, everyone is bare naked and unable to do anything but punch enemies in the face. XD This made jobs with native hand-to-hand skill particularly popular, as those are the only jobs that could deal appreciable damage while barehanded, and so were crucial until you'd unlocked some folks' weapons. Enemies started out quite weak, but their difficulty would ramp up as you advanced floors and unlocked more and more equipment, abilities, and stats.

Was one of the more enjoyable endgame offerings in FFXI, in my opinion. Offered some of the best gear in the game at the time, too, albeit at infuriatingly low drop rates.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

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Salvage ROCKED, and at this point, that low drop rate we suffered back then is missed (by me), as it would give the content on FFXIV some longevity, which is its weakest point in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

Salvage ROCKED, and at this point, that low drop rate we suffered back then is missed (by me), as it would give the content on FFXIV some longevity, which is its weakest point in my opinion.

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LOL the low drop rates from ffxi were fun, a group spending 4 months farming Dynamis then finally a pimp hat dropped.

The rage that followed and rage quits from ls's xD

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Originally Posted by whythehate

LOL the low drop rates from ffxi were fun, a group spending 4 months farming Dynamis then finally a pimp hat dropped.

The rage that followed and rage quits from ls's xD

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At least it made you get excited. Just seeing it drop was rewarding, something I haven't felt in FFXIV from 2.0 onwards...

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Well. If you have promises in one hand and bullshit in the other. What are you really holding on to?

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If the bullshit is better I'm leaning toward it at this point lol..though the promises are sometimes bullshit too.....I'm confused!!!. Idk. I can see the ilvl cap thing happening. I hope it actually feels like a fricken dungeon and not a stroll down a hallway.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Though I think Edda has a hand in this ... she does have a propensity for awakening the undead in Gelmorran ruins

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Don't let the love story end.

I have a painfully sharp feeling this will flop, just looking at Diadem and everything Gold Saucer, the history of them continually updating new gametypes hasn't been very successful, even PvP struggles to stay relevant. So is this really going to be something we all want to get behind? I know it's something that we all wanted, but I don't know like I said given the past with other content not really getting any life after initial launch, I'm fearful Palace of The Dead is going to be dead on arrival.