Please add Musketeer

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Originally Posted by ZReport

You actually don't know what goes on behind SE offices.

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You do realize they told us exactly what was going on...right? As in, if you actually keep up with interviews you would know? The only thing they never told us was why they were changing Musketeer and exactly what it is besides using magic.

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you have no idea what they want to prioritize first

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Yet your post was largely speaking as if you knew what they were. It's very rare for a dev team to constantly throw ideas out like that or nothing would get done, especially if they don't have an open ended scheduled (they do not as yoshi constantly tells us how down to the wire every update comes.)

I'd much rather Musketeer be a gun based ranged melee dps, no magic whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You do realize they told us exactly what was going on...right? As in, if you actually keep up with interviews you would know? The only thing they never told us was why they were changing Musketeer and exactly what it is besides using magic.



Yet your post was largely speaking as if you knew what they were. It's very rare for a dev team to constantly throw ideas out like that or nothing would get done, especially if they don't have an open ended scheduled (they do not as yoshi constantly tells us how down to the wire every update comes.)

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I think you want to believe I sit and know what they are planning, but I don't, same as you. I know as much information as you do, which isn't much when it comes to Musketeer. So no need to go that route in this argument, I will straight up tell you I don't know what's going on. However, I can tell you that a lot of stuff has been pushed back since, including Musketeer -- I make it my own personal business to figure out what is being said in these interviews, and compile an almost complete listing of what has been promised since 2.1. There is a lot that has changed or simply been pushed back. That is the nature of game planning.

And we don't know at all what they want to prioritize first, especially if it's information that comes from from interviews, which is ALWAYS subject to change. Remember Gold Saucer? Remember how that was supposed to be in 2.3? And 2.2 before that? Remember when Frontlines was supposed to be in 2.2? How about when Crystal Tower was supposed to be with the base game at release? Any piece of information from interviews that we get is subject to change, nothing is certain from that outlet.

The only time we can for sure ascertain information we get is if they tell it to us up front in a Live Letter. Everything else is speculation and/or wishful thinking.

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Originally Posted by ZReport

They work based on their development schedule, not based on when the people want to see something added to the game.

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I don't know if I can agree with this statement 100%. There have been tons of things added and changed in the game because players asked for it. I mean they did multiple player polls to shape the game according to what the players would like to see, and followed though with a majority of it. Even when it came to adding new classes the most asked for were in order of popularity:

#1: One that controls and fights alongside a pet or avatar.(ex. Summoner, Puppetmaster, etc.)
#2: An original class unlike any of those described above.(ex. Musketeer, Arithmetician, etc.)
#3: An assassin-type class that uses lethal and stealthy attacks. (ex. Ninja, Thief, etc.)

The rest I can agree with to some point, there is a development cycle etc. But they have definitely added and/or changed things within the game to make the players happy because they asked/demanded it.

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I don't know if I can agree with this statement 100%. There have been tons of things added and changed in the game because players asked for it. The rest I can agree with to some point, there is a development cycle etc. But they have definitively added and/or changed things within the game to make the players happy because they asked/demanded it.

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ftfy (sorry but it had no sense for me and I had to go back to the "wrong spelling" thread to know what you meant. nevertheless, my 2 cents on that : )

SE added the Coil (savage) specifically because the players asked for it.
They added arcanist in 2.0 following a poll asking which class people wanted to see coming first
They have removed morale from Frontlines (and the new den) because PvE players never entered PvP due to being ravaged by R30/40 people in full PvP sets.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

ftfy (sorry but it had no sense for me and I had to go back to the "wrong spelling" thread to know what you meant. nevertheless, my 2 cents on that : )

SE added the Coil (savage) specifically because the players asked for it.
They added arcanist in 2.0 following a poll asking which class people wanted to see coming first
They have removed morale from Frontlines (and the new den) because PvE players never entered PvP due to being ravaged by R30/40 people in full PvP sets.

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Thank you for helping my point :)

That was exactly what I was trying to say, and why I couldn't agree with the others comment. There has been plenty SE has but in due to player demand. <3

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I don't know if I can agree with this statement 100%. There have been tons of things added and changed in the game because players asked for it. I mean they did multiple player polls to shape the game according to what the players would like to see, and followed though with a majority of it. Even when it came to adding new classes the most asked for were in order of popularity:

#1: One that controls and fights alongside a pet or avatar.(ex. Summoner, Puppetmaster, etc.)
#2: An original class unlike any of those described above.(ex. Musketeer, Arithmetician, etc.)
#3: An assassin-type class that uses lethal and stealthy attacks. (ex. Ninja, Thief, etc.)

The rest I can agree with to some point, there is a development cycle etc. But they have defiantly added and/or changed things within the game to make the players happy because they asked/demanded it.

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Of course. And even those things that are added or changed are worked into their cycles. When there's a simple fix or good idea, usually QoL, they work it in immediately (next patch) if it's not a complicated task or messes with server side latency. Bigger ideas or complicated tasks, get worked into a subsequent or future patch (they always inform us before hand that we will see it in the future). Never will you see players begging for a new job suddenly push the devs into a speedier development of said job.

#1 There was a post a very long time ago (before FFXIV: ARR) with Yoshi-P stating that he wanted a magical pet class added to as well as a physical pet class. Thus ARC/SMN/SCH came to be.

#2 This post has also come from Yoshi-P in the form of him wanting to see Red Mage, Blue Mage, Musketeer, and any manner of hybrid job classes added to the game eventually. This is now being discussed as they've realized most of these ideas cannot be fully utilized unless they change the current job system (or deviate from it) so that it's not too reliant on class abilities.

#3 The idea for Ninja had also been around as long as #2. He's also always wanted a stealthy class in the game.

He basically said in an interview a long time ago that "I want what you guys want." I'm not denying this statement wasn't said at all. However, when these classes/jobs we want are added, it will be within their development cycle, not because we are incessantly begging for it on the official forums. He does look at our ideas, and takes into consideration what we want to see. However, there's a process to adding jobs as well, one of which we don't know the full details.

The man has made it known he's a huge MMO nerd. I think he will do right by the FFXIV community and not let us down with Musketeer. It's all a matter of patience.

I personally like the Type-0 handle on "Magic Gunman", Cater:

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cater

What I'm basically saying is that people who are saying "I want it now now now!" shouldn't waste their time. It will come, just not now, or any time soon. It's looking like it will be during the expansion.

SE has a history if people ask for something TOO MUCH they won't do it.

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Originally Posted by Naelle

Machinist pl0x.

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Ninja thread necro for dramatic effect!

So about that "Gunner will be a healer."

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

So about that "Gunner will be a healer."

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Has a puppet, Puppet Master's puppet can heal... CONFIRM... Machinist can heal...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

So about that "Gunner will be a healer."

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You've never been cured by a bullet? Nor me, come to think of it.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

So about that "Gunner will be a healer."

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let me return that :

So about that "Gunner will be Musketeer" ?

Oh wait, it's exactly lke what we've been saying for over a year : no musketeer.

and fyi, gunner healer was picked up because chemist presented a different gameplay than the other 2 healers (use of items, even if not consumables, maybe even TP based job) and because there weren't many gunner dps jobs, apart from machinist. Then, the words of the devs were shaddy and we assumed that it wouldn't be a dps because people were expecting a dps, when the devs just said it wouldn't be musketeer. (Didn't prevent fanboys to stick blindly to musketeer, mind you...)