Gardening - Harvesting

I just stocked up on my mandrake and are now doing a plot of Azeyma Rose to get to that no.7 plot YunieAura lol

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

For those who don't read reddit, I've posted a wall of text regarding pathway loops (http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._2_hypothesis/) there but I'm having trouble explaining jute. If anyone has any ideas or data on this (e.g. various jute crosses like jute + almond, jute + azeyma rose, etc.), please post a reply.

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Growing the actual Jutes now, so it'll be ~two weeks 'til I can test/confirm (JUTE + ALMOND) and (JUTE + MANDRAKE).
Interesting on the pathway loops! I'm running into a silly problem of not having enough Apricots for my Glazenut+Apricot gardens atm since I decided to dedicate 2 gardens to Juteyness. h-heheh :( It's surprising that many gardeners on my server aren't touching the Jute market, so I decided to give it a go.

Edit: Decided to leave the Jute testing alone for now :( A garden down because an FC officer decided to plant random grapes. xD

Theory: The intercross is determined by the seeds its planted next to at the moment its planted.

Think about it. Many people report only getting 4 seeds every time they put them down. I know if your like me, you always plant glazenut gardens like this.

G = Glazenuts
A = Apricots
O = Emply spot

A O A
O X O And after you get one of the 2 planted, you then plant the other seed to form you garden
A O A

A G A
G X G
A G A

However what if you planted them in order in a circle

7 8 9
4 X 6
1 2 3

like 1) Apricot > 2) Glazenut > 3) Apricot > 6) Glazenut > 9) Apricot > 8) Glazenut > 7) Apricot > 4) Glazenut

This would also explain why no one has ever reported getting an 8th seed on a garden planted at the same time. Because that first seed wasn't next to anything when it was planted.
If this is the case, then you just need to make sure all of your seeds are next to something when you plant them to get a cross, and can even control which plant it crosses with somewhat.

If you then dig up the first seed you planted, and planted a new one in its place, you should then be able to get 8 seeds from a garden.

This explains why some people get 4 seeds, and some get 7, it explains why no one has got 8 seeds, and also explains some of the strange intercross that happen when people plant cross at different times in partial gardens.


Thoughts?

It has merit. I always plant them in a circle and get 6-7 seeds and haven't been able to understand why people consistently report getting only 4 seeds, and only from the apricots or glazenuts but never both at that.

Holy hell that may actually explain it... I know a ton of my last few harvests have produced 4 sets of seeds and only 4 despite being potentially capable of producing 8.

Also I have a dev request if they check this thread: Can you make it possible to grow mushrooms? Maybe by planting some rotting wood or maybe make mushrooms grow by letting our plants die by not tending them but pumping them full of fertilizer? Of course if this happens tending the garden by non-FC members should become restricted.

Interesting theory! Going to include plant order on my result tables now.

I do have a tendency to plant the corners first, then the middle spaces.

I've already planted my Glazenut-Apricot gardens for the week doing the corners first, so I sadly cannot try the clock method this week(unless I can get my hands on some more Apricot Seeds for my Glazenut seed surplus... first world problems, I know)!

Edit: Actually I can test this on the Rolanberry-Prickly Pineapple gardens I'm about to plant.
8 Apricot seeds from a garden? (Yes, please.)

Just planted broombush + almond, hoping that produces the broombush loop, and jute + mandrake to increase our stock, then will test with jute.

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Originally Posted by GarionVale

Theory: The intercross is determined by the seeds its planted next to at the moment its planted.

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Thoughts?

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Planted a glazenuts - apricot patch earlier this week.
First the glazenuts in the corners, then the apricots in between.

I harvested 4 seeds from the apricots this morning, a fellow gardening fanatic harvested 3 from the glazenuts later today, so I don't think the theory holds up. (Screenshots can be provided if you want).

Was it an empty garden when all the planting was done?

I just harvested 2 gardens about 10 min ago, first was for Halone Gerbera which i had just happen to plant in a circle order, was my first time planting for that item. i got 7 seeds from it today. That was the first time i had EVER planted in circle order, AND the first time i have EVER got more than 4 seeds. The second was a glazenut garden, planted the apricots in the corner, and then the glazenuts in the middle, it only gave me 4 seeds on the glazenuts, and nothing on any apricots.

I think this theory will just need more testing. Also i will point out that the 1 that didn't give me a seed on the Halone was the first thing i planted.

Notice you still only got 7 seeds though alice, are you SURE that they were planted corners then mid? because it just makes so much sense, and my own garden lived up to my theory. I have another glazenut patch comming up in 3 days i will see what happens with that.

Garion, I think your theory is correct. I'd have to look in my screenshots folder for proof, if any, but I recently got 7 Glazenut seeds from an alternating Glazenut/Apricot clockwise planting, and then got 7 Apricot kernels from a Prickly Pineapple/Honey Lemon arrangement today using the same method. The first seed planted also did not yield a seed back either time. I also distinctly remember usually getting 4 seeds back in other arrangements whenever I planted in the corners first and then on the sides. I'm currently trying this same clockwise method out on some Linseed/Mandrake to try and get Azeyma Roses; I'll try to remember to post my results here when they're ready to harvest.

I'm with you on that theory as well Garion, too bad someone only came up with it when our first patch of Kukuru/Apricot was already planted... of course in a double Cross

I got 3 Glazenut Seeds off the Apricots which i planted after the Kukuru in the corners. The patch before i was wondering why i got 6 seeds in one garden - i did because i planted in a circle for the first time ever... could have saved me so much time, having only one Garden to work with is tedious as it is already ^^"

Point straight: in 2 1/2 days my Honey Lemons/prickly pineapple will be ready, in 3 1/2 days my 2 apricots and in 4 1/2 days the three glazenuts i planted

Order:

G H P
A X H
G A G


I planted the Glazenuts in the lower left corner when the Apricot from the previous patch was not yet harvested, so if i get a seed there it will hopefully help to prove over time that you can indeed get 8 seeds from one patch. I harvested the Apricot right after setting the nut and planted the seeds in hope to circle for some more Glazenut seeds.

Keep finding out stuff like that, it saves us small time gardeners so much time ;3

Now i might really break the market on this lol. So.... How about getting 6 glazenut seeds and glazenuts from a garden. Or any looping cross for that matter

First, plant an apricot on opposite corners:

A = Apricot
G = Glazenut
O = Empty space


A O O
O X O
O O A

Then you would plant glazenuts on either side of the apricots

A G O
G X G
O G A

Then dug up the original 2 apricots

O G O
G X G
O G O

Then replace them with 2 NEW apricot seeds that will now cross with the glazenuts

A G O
G X G
O G A

And fill in the last 2 spot with glazenuts

A G G
G X G
G G A

This garden should have the potential for 6 Glazenut seeds, and still produce 6 Glazenuts. Even if you DON'T replace the Apricots, planting in this order would give you the opportunity for 4 glazenut seeds with 6 glazenuts.

What if you do the alternating "+" and "X"?

For example, initially, you have these in your garden patch:

R = Royal Kukuru
A = Apricot
H = Honey Lemon
X = Scarecrow
O = Empty spot

R A R
A X A
R A R

Then harvest, Apricots. In ideal situation, you should get 4 seeds from them.

R O R
O X O
R O R

Then plant some apricots. Since all of them are between a couple of Kukuru, then all of them have a chance of intercross

R A R
A X A
R A R

Then harvest the Kukuru, and in ideal situation, you should have 4 seeds.

O A O
A X A
O A O

Then plant some honey lemon (or glazenuts if you want), and again since all of them are between apricots, then all of them should have a chance for intercross.

H A H
A X A
H A H

Then harvest the apricot, then repeat to the top.

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Originally Posted by GarionVale

Was it an empty garden when all the planting was done?

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Notice you still only got 7 seeds though alice, are you SURE that they were planted corners then mid? because it just makes so much sense, and my own garden lived up to my theory. I have another glazenut patch comming up in 3 days i will see what happens with that.

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It was an empty garden. I'm 100% sure I planted them that way because the circle-planting-theory was posted slightly after I planted it and I was panicking thinking I might have screwed up.
I usually plant in circle order but specifically planted this one corners first because I've had moments were I accidently selected the wrong spot and nearly screwed up a garden (planting something in the corner instead of in the middle or the other way around).

And I did notice I got only 7 seeds, so we're still no closer to the 7seed mystery :/

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Originally Posted by Sounders

What if you do the alternating "+" and "X"?

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I've been thinking about this.
At the very least, if you stock up on apricot kernels, you could produce endless amounts of glazenuts by planting glazenut x apricot.

Then just harvest whenever they are finished and replace with the same. Since they have different growth periods you can keep this going.

If you have two gardens you can have one on glazenut x apricot loop, and the other one for crossbreeding apricots (since you will need more apricots than glazenuts). If you have three you have one garden left for other things.

Downside to this is that you will probably get so many glazenut(seed)s that you can crash the market for glazenuts, glazenutseeds, and anything crafted from them at the same time.


Edit: sorry for the double post. Wanted to merge them put accidentally clicked on post (=__=)

-It seems that alternating the planting (which I labeled "Clock Planting" when I made the table) is producing more seeds than "Corner Planting".

-Few things to note here: I was not on the ball with fertilizing and watering this week due to a busy schedule. Still, I received 5 instead of the usual 4 apricot seeds, because I changed to clock planting. ALSO, I used Grade 2 Thanalan soil for Apricot Seed gardens (color coded).

-Edit: I received a 5th Apricot Seed from Garden #5, but forgot to label. lol

-Will test further with all Grade 3 Thanalan soil and better tending next batch!

-A thank you to everyone contributing to this thread! :)

http://i.imgur.com/pSNlOX1.png

I planted a garden of Almonds and Halone Gerberas awhile ago and got Broombush Seeds harvesting the Almonds as expected, thanks to you folks.

What's interesting is, as the Gerberas were still growing (it must have been at least another full day, I didn't keep track of that sorry) I immediately replanted Almonds and today I got another 4 Broombush seeds from them. So you can still use fairly matured plants as crossbreed stock.

This doesn't really prove anything as I harvested the Gerberas 2+ days ago and doesn't show on the FC Activity list, but yeah.
http://i.imgur.com/mmUP4hs.jpg

Someone had mentioned it a few pages back and I decided to test it but I wanted to confirm that Jute x Mandrake does produce Jute seeds from the mandrakes. I will know in a few days if the Jutes do as well, but I just got 3 jute seeds from the mandrakes planted next to jute.

Suddenly all those items that use multiple jute yarn aren't so bad anymore.

Well without intending to validate your clockwork hypothesis I ended up doing just that. I planted a medium garden with 3 glaze in a V shape, then planted 3 apricot in a V shape. All three apricots yielded glaze seeds, not a single bag of glaze seeds on the actual glaze plants though.

Ok another nook in my theory. It looks like planting next to a completely grown plant does not trigger an intercross.

Could've been just my bad luck tho, but the only Glazenut i got no seed off, was the one i planted next to the completely grown Apricot from the Kukuru/Apricot Patch.

I'll try to validate that theory further on, should be easier while looping Jute as i can just harvest/buy the mandrake seeds easily

('-')/

Has anyone tried Azeyma Rose + Almond yet, or know someone who has (and data well recorded)? I want to see if all the flowers (Azeyma Rose, Halone Gerbera, Nymeia Lily) are in the same "tier."

A while ago someone posted a theory about different tiers and intercrossing / loops:

After the apricots from our glazenut x apricot patch were harvested I planted rolanberries next to the half-grown glazenuts as an experiment, and they gave us royal kukuru seeds. I believe this is in line with said theory?

As a further experiment, we planted prickly pineapples after the glazenuts were cleared, and they gave apricots seeds like you would expect from pineapple x rolanberry :)


Here are the pictures, although there isn't much to see:
http://i.imgur.com/Pg07ELml.png?1http://i.imgur.com/bvet18Cl.png?3

Excuse my double posting, but all in one post was getting a becoming a bit much.

To contribute to the clockwise-planting-theory here is our new apricot x glazenut patch:

http://i.imgur.com/ENbdZRGl.png?1

If you ignore me fertilizing while he was planting, you can see that they were planted as 4 + 4 (apricots in the corners). In a few days I'll post the results.

So, I planted a garden of Azeyma Rose, and chamomile a little bit ago. When the chamomile was harvested i planted mandrake in its place next to the unfinished roses.

Today i harvested those mandrake and got Star Anise from them, Showing that they crossed with the rose, and not the Almond that i planted after the roses were ready.

If they had crossed with almonds it would have been nymian lilly.

http://puu.sh/9fsOz/2e32853e6b.jpg

Proff that crossing takes place with the plant its next to when planted. Also, although this picture dosn't show it, I got 4 seeds from the roses i harvested, and another 4 seeds from the mandrake i just harvested. So its possible to keep a rotation going with a looping plant and get 4 seeds each time.

Example: if you loop Broombush and almonds, just keep replacing the one that comes up first, and it will cross with the old ones, EVEN BETTER do this.

Broombush = B
Almond = A

A B B
B X B
B B A

If you just harvest the almond when they are ready and replace them, then the broombush when they are ready, you should get seeds from 4 of the broombush and the 2 almonds, making a garden thats self looping producing 6 main plant and keeping a never ending loop. If you ever get unlucky and only get 4-5 seeds, you can always replace the Broombush corners with almonds for 1 planting then switch back to broom.

Whoops, a little late with my weekly result table/gardening thread bump. :3 Been addicted to another game lately and I nearly killed my FF gardens.
Have you ever seen a poor garden about to die? Here's a screenshot on my alt:

http://i.imgur.com/ZoZujnp.png

Anyway, on to the weekly results!
NOTE: All gardens include plants that were planted clockwise. Alternating-clock IS better! I was so excited to label my results and see all the seeds produced!
Behemoth Server News: If you're planning on going to the Behemoth Beach Bash on June 28 - check out our server forums for details - you may be able to win some of these Yunie-brand Glazenuts as prizes. 10 Glazenuts will be donated to the event. Please look forward to it!

http://i.imgur.com/hmEMzFs.png

So, based on the new news on Chocobo raising... will we lose one of our garden plots to this new system?


Q25: Where and how can we raise our chocobos?

A25: By setting up a stable in your free company garden, you'll be able to take care of and train your chocobo.

that Garden looks amazing YunieAura. Beautiful colourful purple clouds! ;). I once put too much fertilizer without tending a patch and had that cute purple thing going on, though it did turn out to be a low yield crop.

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Originally Posted by Lito00

So, based on the new news on Chocobo raising... will we lose one of our garden plots to this new system?

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I really hope NOT! Hopefully they just mean outside area / yard in general rather than the actual garden patches as with small house you'd have none.

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Originally Posted by Lito00

So, based on the new news on Chocobo raising... will we lose one of our garden plots to this new system?


Q25: Where and how can we raise our chocobos?

A25: By setting up a stable in your free company garden, you'll be able to take care of and train your chocobo.

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I'm really hoping this isn't the case as well, as I do believe it was hinted we may be growing new chocobo-enhancing greens in our gardens.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Star Anise + Everything (looking for self-loop)

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Looking for it too. >_<
Huzzah, infinite Glazenuts!

I have also planted this to start off my Star Anise recycling research :

Star Anise ----- Linseed ----- Star Anise
Chamomile -----xxxxxxxxx----- Mandrake
Star Anise ----- Almond ------ Star Anise

Guys,Guys! I broke my record for the number of glazenuts and seeds from one plot. I did a large plot (4 glazenuts by 2 apricots) that already had 2 apricots growing in it from another patch with 1.5days to go till they harvested. After I harvested those 2 apricots (got Royal Kukuru Seeds because of what was in the previous plot) I planted 2 more Apricots in replacement and fertilized them to catch up with the rest of the crop.
I GOT 4 Glazenuts and 5 Glazenut seeds! from a single patch yay! :p

http://i58.tinypic.com/wsn2q9.jpg

I may be missing something here, but you still need glazenut seeds from somewhere to keep that glazenut+honey lemon loop going, right? I mean, unless you're getting 8 seeds everytime from the glazenut+apricot harvest, you're going to run out of glazenut seeds pretty quick. You're using 4 seeds for the first step, and then another 4 seeds for the second step, but only one step actually produces glazenut seeds.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

I may be missing something here, but you still need glazenut seeds from somewhere to keep that glazenut+honey lemon loop going, right? I mean, unless you're getting 8 seeds everytime from the glazenut+apricot harvest, you're going to run out of glazenut seeds pretty quick. You're using 4 seeds for the first step, and then another 4 seeds for the second step, but only one step actually produces glazenut seeds.

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Let's say you start with 10 glazenuts and 10 apricots. In a worst-case scenario (4 seeds at each step),

1. Glazenut + Apricot --> 10 glazenuts, 6 apricots
2. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 6 glazenuts, 10 apricots
3. Glazenut + Apricot --> 6 glazenuts, 6 apricots

In a best-case scenario (7 seeds at each step),

1. Glazenut + Apricot --> 13 glazenuts, 6 apricots
2. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 9 glazenuts, 13 apricots
3. Glazenut + Apricot --> 12 glazenuts, 9 apricots
4. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 8 glazenuts, 16 apricots
5. Glazenut + Apricot --> 11 glazenuts, 12 apricots

The self-sustainability point is at 6 seeds per harvest. Granted, I don't have the statistics to say what the distribution of # of seeds is but anecdotal evidence leads me to believe 5-7 is where most beds fall. I've rarely ever gotten 4 seeds from a single bed. It's possible you'll have to break off somewhere to grow apricots from base materials again but you're more likely go continue on indefinitely if you're using Grade 3 Thanalan Soil.

The above best-case loop loses one glazenut each time, so it'll run out of gas eventually. The only way to have a truly self-sustaining plot is to make as many glazenuts as you're putting in. If you're putting in 8 seeds (4 for the glaze+apricot and 4 for the glaze+lemon) and only getting, at best, 7 back (7 from glaze+apricot), then you're going to run out. Granted, it takes while to run out and this is certainly the most efficient use of glazenuts to get more glazenuts, but self-sustaining it is not. The apricot side is self-sustaining, yes, because you're only using 4 apricots but getting 4-7 back.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

The above best-case loop loses one glazenut each time, so it'll run out of gas eventually.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Let's say you start with 10 glazenuts and 10 apricots.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

5. Glazenut + Apricot --> 11 glazenuts, 12 apricots

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After 5 steps, you use 20 (4*5 = 20, because math) glazenuts and produce 21 (7*3 = 21, because math) glazenuts. If you factor in the apricot continuously building up, then you can do back-to-back Glazenut + Apricot for even more glazenuts.

That's not the way it works in the long run. Let's draw that loop out to the end:

1. Glazenut + Apricot --> 13 glazenuts, 6 apricots
2. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 9 glazenuts, 13 apricots
3. Glazenut + Apricot --> 12 glazenuts, 9 apricots
4. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 8 glazenuts, 16 apricots
5. Glazenut + Apricot --> 11 glazenuts, 12 apricots
6. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 7 glazenuts, 19 apricots
7. Glazenut + Apricot --> 10 glazenuts, 15 apricots
8. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 6 glazenuts, 22 apricots
9. Glazenut + Apricot --> 9 glazenuts, 18 apricots
10. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 5 glazenuts, 25 apricots
11. Glazenut + Apricots --> 8 glazenuts, 21 apricots
12. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 4 glazenuts, 28 apricots
13. Glazenut + Apricot --> 7 glazenuts, 24 apricots
14. Glazenut + Sun Lemon --> 3 glazenuts, 31 apricots


At this point it breaks down because you only have 3 glazenuts left. However, what you said about back to back glaze+apricots does work! Using the extra apricots you can counter the diminishing glazenuts. I would say insert an extra glazenut+apricot patch ever 4th patch or so and now we truly have a self sustaining glazenut factory.

... I didn't think I'd actually have to spell out converting extra apricots into glazenuts because simple logic says that if, at any point, you end up with more than you started with, then you can repeat the cycle from step 1. Despite all your objections, at 6 or 7 seeds per harvest, this loop is, in fact, self-sustaining.

Not sure where you're failing to see what I'm saying. The original loop does not say you need extra glazenut+apricot patches to keep it going. Neither do you. You simply say "do the loop, get the nutz". It's not that simple. You do the loop with diminishing glazenut returns AND you insert additional glazenut+apricots as needed, and now you have a working loop. The conversion of excess apricots to glazenuts is not self-evident, and if you want this loop to work you have to do it.

You're the one who failed to understand simple logic. If, after 5 steps, you ended up with more glazenuts and apricots than you started with, then obviously, you should do the same thing over from step 1. That means, after step 5 which was glazenut + apricot, you should go back to step 1, which is glazenut + apricot. Every full cycle in the best case scenario will yield a net of +1 glazenut and +2 apricots. If you couldn't see that, you need to go back to school.

But whatever, I'm done here. I won't argue with unintelligent people, and I certainly won't be helping any further in this thread.

Well, gee whiz. Hissy fit much? The original loop as stated didn't work. That's the key point here. You need that additional patch after each fifth harvest to keep it going. Or repeating the loop from step 5, and not step 3 as the original loop said. Two different ways of explaining the same process. You never once mentioned that you have to repeat at step 5 instead of step 3 to maintain the glazenuts, you simply pointed out step 5 as some magical place to stop explaining your thought process.