Warriors - Rerolls

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Originally Posted by VeersMorgan

As an aside, irrc there was a dev quote about them expecting fewer than 100 groups to beat all turns of the coil before Crystal Tower. With content tuned to that extreme, it's a lot more likely to see strongly favored party compositions, the implication being that if a player always want to be positioned to beat content like that when first released, it may be necessary to level all of the jobs for a given party role.

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This isn't entirely viable. Yes, extremely tuned content may favor certain classes, but to be impossible with a specific class is beyond imbalanced.

The bigger issue is gear. Even if I have a PLD and WAR at level 50 (I don't), I would still have a big disadvantage for one or the other in gear. I picked up my Baruva +1 the other day on my WAR. For my PLD getting my Relic +1 would mean another 3 weeks of farming, meaning I'm essentially 3 weeks behind because of my class choice.

Swapping between the classes is good and all, but it's not 100% viable with the current mythology cap.

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Originally Posted by Kyzr

It's cute that after reading skipping this entire thread, you still think that's accurate.

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Of course i did, there is like 2 real warriors here and a bunch of whiners who most likely suck at playing warrior, i see warriors with no complaints doin it just as good as pld.

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Originally Posted by Rios-Drakoon

Bullshit sorry,... yes, Warriors are agressiv, Paladin defensive, both are tanks, yes. but Paladin is way better then Warrior.

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why is it better because you say so? they are both completely different jobs, you cant even compare them other than the fact they are both "tanks", if your expecting all the jobs to be the equivalent to the other, you are playing the wrong game. A warrior can do things better than a paladin and the same goes for paladin. As far as i can see your expecting all the tanks to be the same. Maybe you guys need to unequip the warrior soul because your obviously not ready for it.

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Originally Posted by ZealHoss

Maybe you guys need to unequip the warrior soul because your obviously not ready for it.

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Says the non-Warrior

There is nothing in the game currently that a Warrior can do that a Paladin can not do better. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not even really at endgame and you honestly know nothing about playing a Warrior.

It's not about expecting the tanks to be the same. It's about expecting them to be roughly equivalent in effectiveness when it comes to their role: Tanking. which they aren't. Not even remotely.

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Originally Posted by ZealHoss

Of course i did, there is like 2 real warriors here and a bunch of whiners who most likely suck at playing warrior, i see warriors with no complaints doin it just as good as pld. why is it better because you say so? they are both completely different jobs, you cant even compare them other than the fact they are both "tanks", if your expecting all the jobs to be the equivalent to the other, you are playing the wrong game. A warrior can do things better than a paladin and the same goes for paladin. As far as i can see your expecting all the tanks to be the same. Maybe you guys need to unequip the warrior soul because your obviously not ready for it.

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So, you say, Warrior is just good wor multiple Add Tank? because thats the only Thing what Warrior can do better then Paladin.
So you say, the only and really only work for Warrior is just to Tank some Adds?

Look at the skills, look what People say here.

SE said, Paladin is a tank who reduce incoming dmg, and Warrior should be who conter the dm with his selfheal.
WAHT selfheal?
Bloodbath 40-100 per hit
Stormspath all 9sec 100-150
IB all 20sec 800 if we use some other CD we can get 1500-2000 but only all 2mins.

Yeah, Paladin and Warrior are diffrent Tank types, but at least they should to the same Job properly¨
After Ifrit HM, by Garuda or Titan HM, do you really think the Healer feels if Warrios use Bloodbath oder Stormspath? NO F... WAY

But the Healer feels your 20%/40%/100% dmg reduction, and slo your 60% more block (block = 20-24% dmg reduction)

In MMORPGs there is no Place for a Class that is just there to Tank Multiple Adds, beside, Paladin can to the same Job also, and Healer have less Problems to heal them then a Warrior.
SE Said, we have 2 Tank Class and 2 Heal Class, both are individuell but can do the same Job.
Yes Warrior can Tank Titan HM and also Coil, but, AND THATS THE MAIN POINT, Paladin is easier to heal. and waht choice makes a Group? they choose the easier way, and that mean Paladin.

I know, you are a Paladinfanboy and like all the other Fanboys out there, you fear taht SE will Buff Warrior, so Group can choose Warrior or Paladin doenst matter.
Right now everyone prefer Paladin becauce ist easier for the Group.

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Originally Posted by ZealHoss

i see warriors with no complaints doin it just as good as pld.

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out of curiosity, how do you judge that they're doing it as well as PLD?

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Originally Posted by ZealHoss

A warrior can do things better than a paladin and the same goes for paladin.

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What do you feel a WAR can do better than a PLD that is important for tanking.

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Originally Posted by ZealHoss

A warrior can do things better than a paladin and the same goes for paladin.

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Care to tell me what exactly *does* it do better?

Damage wise, an MT WAR has to choose between just *barely* edging out a PLDs threat but dealing a crapton less damage or just *barely* edging out a PLDs damage but generating a crapton less enmity. A WAR requires more healing than a PLD does. A WAR has a worse burst CD suite than a PLD does. The only thing that a WAR has that a PLD doesn't is self heals, and those are only an advantage when you don't have a healer, which doesn't happen in any group content that I know of, especially since a WAR burning self heals is going to survive less than 10 seconds (which is what a PLD could guarantee they survive with Hallowed Ground) against an 8 man boss by her lonesome. WAR even has an arguably harder time with AoE threat thanks to the massive opportunity cost incurred by Overpower.

It's a complete and utter fallacy that *anything* that a WAR does better than a PLD is even remotely useful and, comically enough, it's not even the stuff that people bring up all the time that they end up doing better than PLD.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

Says the non-Warrior

There is nothing in the game currently that a Warrior can do that a Paladin can not do better. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not even really at endgame and you honestly know nothing about playing a Warrior.

It's not about expecting the tanks to be the same. It's about expecting them to be roughly equivalent in effectiveness when it comes to their role: Tanking. which they aren't. Not even remotely.

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I'm not at end game, seriously? you do realize im on BC right? a couple cm runs and i have my relic +1, so im not sure what your talking about not at end game? Secondly i am in the process of leveling warrior to 50. Warriors do more damage and have alot more aoe capability, you will see bosses in the future where a pld and war are best together not a pld and a pld. I dont need another pld with me i would like a warrior. You dont need 2 chicken scratchers running around, a warrior hits a hell of alot harder.

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Originally Posted by ZealHoss

You dont need 2 chicken scratchers running around, a warrior hits a hell of alot harder.

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No, it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by ZealHoss

I'm not at end game, seriously? you do realize im on BC right? a couple cm runs and i have my relic +1, so im not sure what your talking about not at end game? Secondly i am in the process of leveling warrior to 50. Warriors do more damage and have alot more aoe capability, you will see bosses in the future where a pld and war are best together not a pld and a pld. I dont need another pld with me i would like a warrior. You dont need 2 chicken scratchers running around, a warrior hits a hell of alot harder.

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So you're in BC with Ifrit weapon and white Jewelry? No Relic? Not even garuda weapon? If you can manage with that kind of gear it should set off some obvious bells. No way a WAR would be able to touch Binding Coil with your level of gear. Hell, they probably would have a hard time with titan in that gear.

"AoE capacity" doesn't matter, considering there isn't a single fight where "aoe" threat matters. And even if there ever is one, a PLD will be better able to survive while tanking it - the paltry 100 damage aoe that WAR can contribute for 140 TP isn't enough to matter anyway.

Also you are wrong on the damage. At best a warrior has a slight advantage (~5-10% depending), and at worst is at a disadvantage (while not tanking a PLD will put out more dmg than a WAR, unless Sword Oath is bugged, in which case WAR will again be ahead by ~2-4%).

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Originally Posted by Rios-Drakoon

I know, you are a Paladinfanboy and like all the other Fanboys out there, you fear taht SE will Buff Warrior, so Group can choose Warrior or Paladin doenst matter.
Right now everyone prefer Paladin becauce ist easier for the Group.

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No one is scared of SE buffing warrior lol, hopefully they do so you guys stop whining and i dont have to play with another pld doing jack shit in my groups. Also i have never been a paladin fanboy i played ninja on ffxi till the day i quit.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

out of curiosity, how do you judge that they're doing it as well as PLD?

What do you feel a WAR can do better than a PLD that is important for tanking.

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1. They are clearing all the content available atm.

2. I would much rather have a warrior in my group than another paladin doing no dmg and not tanking, warriors do alot more dmg and can pick up large groups of adds alot easier than i can.