This comment is just pointlessQuote:
Originally Posted by pepero
On that note, WAR does need a buff to their self healing capabilities. Adding in more mobs to hit doesn't just increase more self healing you do, it also increases more damage you take. If you can't do a significant amount of self healing to be on par with PLD mitigation on one mob, you're not going to do it on 4 mobs. You don't multiply one side of the equation by 4, you have to do that to both sides.
WAR does need some love. I don't want them to be PLDs because I love what a WAR brings to the table, but I can't utilize it yet because it takes a lot of luck and an excess amount of skill you don't find in most of your player base (not even the hard core ones... even though Yoshi has made it clear this game is casual first, hard core later)
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09-22-2013, 11:59 PMLayenem
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09-23-2013, 12:21 AMDeloreanAnd there has also been a lot of speculation suggesting that warrior damage is actually pretty much the same as a Paladin's damage output.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephirah
really? because Hiir Noivl is the only WAR that says they can MT and WARs who have gotten farther than them always criticize them, saying it is very rough. How is that for "showing off"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephirah
it's often posted "war makes good offtank", but the majority of this games content doesn't even require an offtank.
i always laugh when i queue ifrit and pld complains about stunning, but i don't think anyone plays a tank to sit in a corner spamming AE or whatever. -
09-23-2013, 01:06 AMWangstrong
Lol @ Sephirah and whoever else is on a campaign to try and prevent warrior buffs because it'll infringe on their class' privilege as supreme, universally favored tank. So selfish, so simple-minded, such lack of character. Some people just have such an unhealthy obsession with being regarded as "the best" in video games, in any possible way, even if that way is to merely be playing a class that's the best. What a miserable lot.
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09-23-2013, 02:22 AMoceanlord
warrior can tank Titan HM! that is with 3 healer and super awesome gear
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09-23-2013, 02:57 AMFactionQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephirah
Says the guy who just hit level 50 and did AK and Ifrit one time each. Big time talk though.
Actually I play with a dedicated group with a Paladin tank and we've experimented with both PAL and WAR plenty through Coil. I doubt you've ever seen a WAR try to do anything at all, at most maybe offtank garuda (don't even need an offtank for Garuda, WHM can offtank) or Ifrit (doesn't do high damage to the tank.)
You are 100% talking out of your ass. Wild speculation and theory rather than any actual experience with the WAR class. -
09-23-2013, 03:08 AMSwordCoheirWell to be fair, when classes got overhauled in 1.19 MRD/WAR has had the upper hand on GLD/PLD in nearly everything till very late in 1.0 (about 1 year), and many MRD/WAR's would say PLD is just fine though LvCorrection borked defense, Shields were broken, Enmity Multiplers sucked on their hate combo, WAR actually got more mitigatioin abilities than PLD, and PLD couldn't parry with Shields equipped. While at the same time WAR's could self heal to full, had abilities that increased defense/parry through taking hits, had more direct mitigation abilities, and had crit WS buffers, and was alot simpler to tank than PLD. So I admit some legacy players are rightfully a little jaded against WAR's, but most legacy players still believe WAR still fulfills the same functions it did in 1.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangstrong
Mayhaps it's just me though, as I've got several main WAR's in my FC who've tanked just as much stuff as I have (Titan and some Bahamuts included). -
09-23-2013, 03:14 AMFactionQuote:
Originally Posted by SwordCoheir
I really hope this happens. If it does, I will spam the forums about how PLD is fine even though I know otherwise and tell you all how infallible Yoshi-P is. See how you like it. -
09-23-2013, 03:20 AMRios-Drakoon
i dont Need mitigation abilitys, i Need more selfheal, so the healer feels my selfheals, just right now it just sucks.
And i dont really know, some ppl from my Free Company said, that Yoshi says: "Warrior are just fine", other ppl say we are not fine....
If Warrior are really as good as Paladin, then tell me the secrets, maybee i just suck, who knows.
But i dont think its "good" if i Need to stack 5 Wrath, Need to use 4 Abilities, just to get one "big" heal from Inner Beast about 1500-2000. and for that "good" heal, i spend so much Abilities and i Need to wait again 2min to repeat that... -
09-23-2013, 03:24 AMSwordCoheirI never said I myself was jaded towards WAR, as I play both. I just know that WAR's are facing the flipside of the coin that PLD suffered through for so long, and I can rightfully understand why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faction
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09-23-2013, 05:25 AMSephirahThere is no point in debating with you Faction. Think whatever you want, if you choose to believe I'm a terrible player that has only beat ifrit once then that is your prerogative (I must be the luckiest guy in the world though to get ifrits blade and 1320 tomestones from 1 ifrit and AK run, lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Faction
You aren't disputing any of my claims to what you've run, so I can only assume I'm correct, and you keep trying to attack me personally rather than my ideas because you have nothing worthwhile to actually say.
I have absolutely no problem with WAR getting buffed people, increase the shi*t out of their health regen I don't care, the only thing I have a problem with Faction is that you want pld to have equal defense, I'm sorry but war just wasn't designed that way.
I understand WoW has bred a generation of self-entitlement, the likes of which have never been seen. And I'm fine with seeing WAR get increased self healing, but the 2 classes should not be homogenous, that is just lame, and boring.