Should I expect griefers on a regular basis at end-game?

In fairness, you should never force your playing style on others. If some person is new to a dungeon like say, Brayflox, I let them watch cut scenes and teach them how to do bosses. It's just called general politeness. If SE wanted you to watch cut scenes at the inn, they wouldn't put them in dungeons then. Especially if the majority of the party could care less and you got one person complaining. The game's built around the story, not speed runs.

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Originally Posted by SynMaris

Cut-scene crusaders piss me off beyond belief. The summoner was right, watch that stuff in the inn on your own time. Don't hold up the instance.

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Look they only need to do it once so don't whine about it, there's nothing wrong with wanting to experience YOUR game in the correct plot order. People buy this game for the plot so they can experience the cutscenes for the first time when they're actually supposed to happen. Especially considering this is a game in it's first month of release it seems incredibly petty to have a go at people who want to play their first run as intended. And since it's in the first month, I shouldn't worry anyway, once the influx of new players dies down you'll have less people needing to do it. Also by that point most good players will probably be doing any serious runs with a free company.

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Originally Posted by PennBlackacre

Without a votekick system AND with a leaving debuff, SE seems to have created a perfect environment for griefers to get what they want. Does SE really care about this stuff or do they think that the playerbase will work itself out until only players like this person remain?

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Vote kick will lead to griefing in even worse ways, where you'll have people running AK or other high end raid and then vote kicking to bring in friends for the last boss

***holes will be ***holes. Leave and move on

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Originally Posted by SynMaris

Cut-scene crusaders piss me off beyond belief. The summoner was right, watch that stuff in the inn on your own time. Don't hold up the instance.

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Hold your damn horses and let people play the game like it was made.

You can get over yourself and wait a few moments to let people experience it.

Vote to Kick
- 100% for this; please implement this feature right away!
- Naysayers, please spare us your straw-man caricatures of bad vote-kick experiences, where you were the lone PUG member in a guild run and they kicked you seconds before the final boss dropped so you couldn't loot. There are safeguards that can be installed to prevent that. Vote-kick can be implemented responsibly.
- Yes, there will still be circumstances where a group of trolls got together and just kick out people arbitrarily, for poor reasons. This is still way less likely than a single troll/griefer randomly appearing in your group and being locked in, just to waste everyone else's time and forcing them to take the penalty for leaving.
- In order for vote-kick to be "abused," you have to: 1) Have nearly all party members group already be formed of personal contacts. 2) Of those, they all have to agree to be jerks, just to troll some poor stranger. I don't think those circumstances match up as often as some would have us believe. And they sure as heck are less likely than landing one anonymous jerk who knows he can't be kicked.

Duty Finder VS Local Only
- The people who are against cross-server grouping are 99% Tanks and Healers who will have no trouble finding a party for any content, no matter what. Of course they don't need Duty Finder. Tanks/Healers, I respect what you people do, but I also cannot emphasize enough the effects of Tank/Healer privilege. A lot of you are very nice people and skilled players, but playing your role often seems to give some of you a very warped perspective of what dungeons are "like" and what it means to queue or re-queue.
- The option to form a local group is still there, especially for Tanks/Healers.
- DPS queue time is already guaranteed to be at least 30-40 minutes, and that's with the benefits of a cross-server DF. Now, you think our search should be narrowed to only our local server, and dependent on us constantly spamming chat channels, hoping to get some attention?
- Do you think more and more MMORPGs are installing automatic group-finders for no reason? They are necessary. Without DF, I would have done maybe one or two dungeons so far, and my main story quests would be on indefinite hold.
- "Cross server destroys the community, keeping to your own server builds your reputation!" Firstly, some people are less social than others. I try to be exceedingly nice to everybody I group up with, and help others where I can -- but if access to dungeons were gated behind maintaining a Facebook-esque collection of 100-200 strangers who have nothing in common with me except server choice, I just would never get anything done. Secondly, I don't believe "server reputation" exists, beyond simply blacklisting people who are jerks. If you meet someone online and they become your friend, that's not "server rep," that is just your personal contact list.

Player Voting/Reputation System
- No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Noooooooooooo!!!!!!! No.
- It wouldn't even do anything, right away. It would take a long time for players to finally build up enough votes to get an accurate assessment of the "average" opinion, and even then it greatly depends on how many dungeons you can run.
- Some people will vote up for nice players, even if they were bad. Other people will vote bad players down, even if they were nice. Still others will vote up complete trolls and jerks, just because they were a good tank.
- As has been mentioned, trolls/griefers will abuse the system horribly. Even if you grant that these people are in the minority, it will still screw around with accuracy for a long time. And it's not even fair -- only those who have the bad luck to get the troll's "attention" will be affected. And there will be some unfortunate souls who get grouped with enough trolls that they get permanently trapped in a constant down-vote cycle, and will never be able to play with anyone else.
- Conversely, people will just up-vote their own friends and FC members, for no reason other than to give them an advantage.
- Essentially, you are trying to invent a quick-fix system that will "force people to be nice." Have you ever heard of a system like that, anywhere in life, which has been successful? Because I sure haven't.

I'm hoping that once the paywall is up, it'll weed out some of these....not quite nice types. Unfortunately, I don't truly think it will help. It's the same thing I've seen with other games that introduce LFG tools like this - no accountability empowers people to complete <censored> without worry.

I think the only way this problem can be addressed is if the GM actually be transparent and show feedback towards players' reports. That way we understand what's deemed appropriate and not.. If all we can do is report and we never know what punishment awaits for the griefer, when will they ever think about stopping? It just encourages new griefers because they think everyone gets away with it. Needs interaction between player and staff, IMO anyways.

I don't use Duty Finder, and probably never will. I would rather wait for friends then be subjected to such torture.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm hoping that once the paywall is up, it'll weed out some of these....not quite nice types. Unfortunately, I don't truly think it will help. It's the same thing I've seen with other games that introduce LFG tools like this - no accountability empowers people to complete <censored> without worry.

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I'd agree, it will almost certainly get better over time, but I suspect grouping with FC/LS will take over for a lot of serious players. One good thing with this game's class system is it's really simple to restructure a party amongst friends without signing onto alts etc. I think personally my next move once I get some more experience is to find a mature group to hang out with long-term and sack off duty finder completely, or just use it for a bit of fun when bored.

Well, from all the bad eggs, there will be good eggs. I may have been fortunate, but from the about.. 100? times I used the DF, I've been on ONE bad party, to which I reported for harassment because of his use of bad words. The rest are all very friendly and helpful. Make sure you greet when you start, and thank everyone when you finish. Ask if there's anyone new and need to be briefed, ask if there's anyone japanese or english and to use the auto translate if possible. I think even by doing that you encourage people to do the same.