FATEs are killing Dungeons and team play

As Babylyn90 said... nerfing fates and forcing people into dungeons doesn't work out so well, basically for said reasons. But people should be equally encouraged to do all manners of leveling so they don't feel forced to do ONE single (and possibly boring/tedious) method of leveling up. The classes are great in that you can be anything on the same character, why cant we have leveling that adapts to you the player and your playstyle? FATEs aren't highly rewarding to healers or tanks as I'm hearing here, but they're amazing for damage dealers. I'd like to see something where any method of leveling is viable... sure, even grinding.

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Which as most people here have seemed to agreed... is that you get people without the gear or experience attempting content that they just aren't prepared for.

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I can see this but you really can't stop them from literally not taking the dozens of hints in early game that try to lead them in a good direction. These are the same people that would go out into the wilderness and mindlessly grind xp instead of doing quests or dungeons that are more challenging in an older mmo. I don't believe the actual game should have to funnel people into doing what seems like common sense (updating to current gear before party play, doing quests and working dungeons runs into your gameplay for better gear boosts and player skill. ect even if you spend a lot of time doing fates.)

SE: Hey guys I heard you don't like mob grinding.... let me introduce to you... FATE grinding I hope you like the difference

GG

Let people play how they want to play, FATES are fun for some of us and don't mind over gearing certain dungeons. I'm still 35 or 36, I do both along with story. If the people you get in queue are bad is because they are not because of FATES. I do see lots of tanks not wanting to CC stuff that annoys me and I'm DD it also annoys my wife who's WHM and the tank thinks he or she is doing the group a favor by trying to go faster. Bad players will be bad player's. I'm also like many of you taking the time to learn the story yet FATES give me something else to do while we quest and wait in queue.

Bay is the only pain in the ass dungeon for most players so far it seems, I have yet to see the others but just let players choose how they want to level whether it makes them bad or not. Point being if you think fates are boring find another way to play dungeons or get friends like yourself.

Several problems...

Fate's give lots of seals, exp, gold and are ridiculously easy and numerous.
Dungeons give no seals, very little exp and not much gold but good loot.
You can't use your chocobo companion or join another group in the duty finder.

To fix this need to change fates so they take longer with large amounts of people and not get blown up in 2 minutes. Dungeons need to give seals, exp and gold proportional to FATEs and being in the duty finder needs to allow you to be in a group.

Here is my 2 gil.

I will start by saying I absolutely LOATH the FATE zerg. I think it destroys the game in it's current state. While I could care less about how people level, I do tend to care when it impacts my game play, Since getting over 30, I have found it near impossible to participate in FATEs, earn seals and get the occasional XP pops without having to join a mindless zerg.

Now unlike the OP I don't feel I have any right to impose my play style onto others and scream OMG NERF FATES, but the fact of the mater is, they are imposing theirs on myself and everyone else who has a different play style. A vast majority of people just want hand outs with minimal effort, it matters not to them that their actions actually impact other players.... Fact... accept it.

to be continued ... grrrr 1000 char

What I would like to see is more of a balancing of the FATE system so people that want to zerg can zerg and people that would like to do them casually can. Keep the xp / re pop efficiency etc times etc untouched but at least implement some sort of diminishing returns if you do xxx amount of the same unique fates over and over in a particular area the rewards would plummet. If you move to another level appropriate area for awhile, all remains unchanged. This is would hopefully at least spread the zergs out a bit to at least give players that don't want to partake in the zergs a chance to enjoy the same content they have every right to enjoy.

An alternate solution would would be to phase the FATE's like how they do with quests. Each phase could support say a max of 12 people, 24 for bosses, and the mobs not in your phase would be untouchable to others like levequest mobs.

Fates aren't the problem, people are just trying to rush to max level to do endgame content. As many of you have already pointed out, most of them have no idea what to do when they get there. This is a Final Fantasy game, I expect the learning curve to be pretty sharp, especially based on the learning curve FFXI threw at you. I have even noticed that a lot of people playing certain classes don't even take the time to read what their abilities do and just use them without any thought to how best to use them. It's really quite... amazing, to see the ineptitude of a lot of players because they are rushing to the end. I like that SE made leveling in different ways viable. If they didn't, someone (a lot of people) would just complain that they cater to much to one way and not the other and that they can't level the way they want.

Party focused leveling was an issue they had in 11 that I think they learned from from the most part, but now I don't think they enforced enough group leveling outside of dungeons and fates. If they gave even more of an xp bonus over the already assumed xp bonus you can recieve from party grinding I think you would see an overall increase in quality of players. This would be due to them getting accustomed to their roles repeatedly and having to adapt to different players and situations. This experience on how to do their job would carry over into instances, raids and the like even if they don't have the proper experience for that setting.

I have noticed that it seems to be a really foreign concept in a lot of MMOs that many people are bringing over to FFXIV. All of this solo play gets really boring after a while. I really don't understand why people play an MMORPG to solo all of the time to level caps. To me, it doesn't make any sense. I like the game, just wish you had more interaction outside of Instances as far as grouping up.

If they added GC seals to dungeons it might encourage more folks to do them. But when I am grouped with a healer or tank guildie the DF queue is very short, so I don't think it's so much lack of ANYONE doing dungeons as it's the common MMO issue of DPS outnumbering tanks and healers by a huge amount.

But I agree about FATE zergers often not knowing how to play their class. It really shows. Getting to level cap means nothing if you're a derp at actually playing the game. FFXIV goes out of it's way to offer tutorials on how to learn your class -- but you can't force people to take the time, and many don't. Hopefully they get bored of being terrible after a while and either improve or go to another game.