PLD ENMITY ISSUE ON MISER

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Originally Posted by Churchill

You can hit 1800 HF without Sphairai...lol.

Any MNK using 120CritAP should hit it on the high end, higher DPS weapons will break 2k.

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Is this under a normal situation? Or would it be with the Defense Down Debuff + Overaspected Crystal?

Hard to imagine that Storm LT Hooks VS Sphairai is an increase of 25%+ damage.

Without Crit Power, Spharai aren't hitting ridic HF on Mistress.

A solid setup using Garuda's Talons can easily outdo Sphairai.

Sphairai suck in 2 games now? Lol

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Is this under a normal situation? Or would it be with the Defense Down Debuff + Overaspected Crystal?

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It's been known to happen w/o those buffs/debuffs just don't expect it with reliable consistency, but alot of times if the MNK's wait till they get 3k tp before unloading that's usually enough time for the PLD to get a consistent hate build.

Typically my setup runs like this on PLD.
-Stoneskin myself before the portal despawns.
-Take the shortest route to Miser on the Right.
-Pop Aegis Boon before engaging.
-Run up and strike once> Voke > Phalanax (if she hits) > Flash > Spirits > Outmaneuver > Divine Veil > Phalanx/Spirits (If she missed the first attack), MNK's should be Engaged by now and building up 3k TP
-PLD Ramparts MNK's > Flash/Voke > Goring Blade Combo, MNK's should be using Weaponskills by now
-PLD keeps up Flat Blade/Voke/Spirits/Goring rotation while waiting for the Poison to drain everyones hp by 300-400 then Sacred Prism > Cure MNK's for a moderate hate boost.
-Save Flash after the 2nd or 3rd rotation, you'll want to use it on any slugs/giltraps that pop especially if you like to follow up with Invincible after.

On Riot Blade: Despite Riot Blades debuff effect being totally awesome, saving TP for it tends to be detrimental to holding hate, not due to the increased damage your MNK's and BLM's could do from the debuff, but because trying to build up TP for it leaves a big window for your hate to slip. If you happen to build up TP faster than you can use it, by all means use Riot Blade, however make sure Miser just got Stunned before attempting to use it, otherwise if she starts to use a TP move while you're behind her you can devastate your entire party.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

On Riot Blade: Despite Riot Blades debuff effect being totally awesome, saving TP for it tends to be detrimental to holding hate, not due to the increased damage your MNK's and BLM's could do from the debuff, but because trying to build up TP for it leaves a big window for your hate to slip. If you happen to build up TP faster than you can use it, by all means use Riot Blade, however make sure Miser just got Stunned before attempting to use it, otherwise if she starts to use a TP move while you're behind her you can devastate your entire party.

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TP shouldn't be a problem against Miser; what we do is have a bard prep Battle Voice Paeon before the ring disappears; this combined with Outmaneuver + Divine Veil should have you at enough TP too riot blade asap and have left over TP for Phalanx / Spirits within if you haven't done so already.

Lol, did this with garuda talons and no STR pots, Spahrai actually does less when it comes to blindside BFB howling fist, they are just stronger in every other things and that is what push your DPS numbers.

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/5...4fd7001219.jpg

I am sure i have gotten 2300 somewhere, but it fluctuates around 2000-2200 with garuda's.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Is this under a normal situation? Or would it be with the Defense Down Debuff + Overaspected Crystal?

Hard to imagine that Storm LT Hooks VS Sphairai is an increase of 25%+ damage.

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Normal for Miser I'd say. It's mostly the crit body (grid overcoat for most people) as Churchill said. DL Caligae and Eyepatch, Serpent Sgt. Choker, and Talons all help though.

I was using Lt. Claws before I got Talons, and my HF crits were 1800-1900ish. With Talons I've seen 2100 at least once, but 2k+ is more common. We use a WAR to tank Miser, so no def down debuff, but I do pop a strength potion at the start.

Generalizing, I would say normal is around 1600. A 120+ crit body would get HF up to 1800ish. Sphairai might be able to hit mid or high 1700s without the crit body, but that's just a guess (maybe someone who has them knows). My gear could definitely be better, so I would probably guess top end is 2.2k+ (without Def Down) if you're specifically trying to maximize HF crits.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Lol, did this with garuda talons and no STR pots, Spahrai actually does less when it comes to blindside BFB howling fist, they are just stronger in every other things and that is what push your DPS numbers.

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/5...4fd7001219.jpg

I am sure i have gotten 2300 somewhere, but it fluctuates around 2000-2200 with garuda's.

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Wow that's awesome. I haven't heard much about Crit Power since it was buffed. Last I saw is that you would need like 200+ Crit Attack Power just to get a little over the critical "floor" on a Lvl 56 Mob.

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Normal for Miser I'd say. It's mostly the crit body (grid overcoat for most people) as Churchill said. DL Caligae and Eyepatch, Serpent Sgt. Choker, and Talons all help though.

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That sucks. So for anyone not part of Twin Adder, it's all about a Tripple Melded Body....?

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Wow that's awesome. I haven't heard much about Crit Power since it was buffed. Last I saw is that you would need like 200+ Crit Attack Power just to get a little over the critical "floor" on a Lvl 56 Mob.



That sucks. So for anyone not part of Twin Adder, it's all about a Tripple Melded Body....?

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You can still use the Flame Sergeant's Tabard, but it has 80 less Crit attack potency and needs to be activated through a set bonus. Lominsans got nothing lol

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

I haven't heard much about Crit Power since it was buffed.

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When was crit power buffed? I remember it being mentioned, but I want to see what details were mentioned if any.

I've actually got my WAR maxed out on crit rate at 20% (really like 19.5ish% but close enough), but only when I swap out my good pants with a Coliseum Subligar that I put 9 crit rate onto. (I really want the imperial operative wristlets so that I don't have to do that.)